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July 22, 2009
Posted: 1320 GMT

A new generation in Gaza is growing up with trauma and anger. CNN's Paula Hancocks meets those who are trying to help.

CNN's Paula Hancocks visits the Israeli towns bordering Gaza to see how they are coping six months after Israel's operation.

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Hope   July 22nd, 2009 2:28 pm ET

I have not (as in N-O-T) watched any of the 2 videos as yet. (I will soon, ofcourse) but here's my initial take....

A frozen image of a terrified (European Western looking,"Canaanites?") Jewish mother & child will send a CHILL down every human being's spin..and rush to open "that" link FIRST.. even prompting to skip the top one!

A dark frozen image of 2 (Middle Eastern looking) Adults, a Med and patient in a clinic does NOT generate much sympathy here in the West...

Clever Clever Clever........

Filipe   July 22nd, 2009 3:29 pm ET

Life on the Gaza side of the border.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/07/more-pictures-of-overcrowded-gaza.html

The one of the most densely populated places on earth. No place to run, no place to hide.

Filipe   July 22nd, 2009 3:37 pm ET

Life on the Gaza side of the border -same old.....same old.... Palestinians killing Palestinians.

And people wonder why there needs to be secure borders! Go figure !!

50 hurt as Gaza blast rocks wedding of ex-Fatah man's relatives

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1102101.html

Filipe   July 22nd, 2009 3:47 pm ET

Life on the Israeli side of the border....same old....same old.....

Rocket lands in southern Israel

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3747949,00.html

Filipe   July 22nd, 2009 3:52 pm ET

Life on the Israeli side of the border! Good news !!!!!

Drop in terror attacks continues, 38 in June from 580 in January

Shin Bet figures indicate volume of attacks is continuing to drop in months after Operation Cast Lead. Only 38 incidents recorded in June compared to 580 in January. Military acknowledges achievement, but warns against complacency

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3742449,00.html

Terror attacks down to just over one per day !!!!!! Real Progress !!!!

John A   July 22nd, 2009 8:46 pm ET

Sderot was founded in 1951 next to the Gevim-Dorot transit camp, on the former Arab village of Najd which was abandoned by its residents at the time of the creation of the Jewish State. The first settlers of Sderot were Kurdish and Persian immigrants who lived in tents and shacks before permanent housing was completed in 1954. In the 1961 census, the percentage of North African immigrants, mostly from Morocco, was 87% in the town, whilst another 11% of the residents were immigrants from Kurdistan.[5] In the 1950s, the city continued to absorb a large number of immigrants from Morocco and Romania, and was declared a local council in 1958.

Sderot again absorbed a large immigrant population during the Aliyah from the Soviet Union in the 1990s, and its population doubled in this decade. In 1996 it was declared a city.

So this is an immigrant town under attack from Hamas after the original village and its original inhabitants were displaced with the creation of Israel. Why would Hamas be angry when they see all those Russians living in what was once their homes?

As for the other video I guess those Palistinian children are an equal match for American F16s, so what is the problem here?

Barry   July 22nd, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Hope –

That's right, you can tell its a racist conspiracy without even looking at the videos. Why even bother to look at the facts when your paranoid delusions of persecution are going so well with you? You and CS make quite the pair. Everybody in the world is a racist and a hater, that is, if they disagree with your invented history and your support for avowed Islamic terrorists.

Barry   July 22nd, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Filipe -

It's great that the Palestinian Islamic terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians are down because of Operation Cast Lead. What sort of operation would be needed to stop the Palestinian Islamic terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians completely?

It's absurd that the Palestinian Islamic terrorists attack constantly and then cry when Amnesty International brands them the aggressors and war criminals for attacking Israeli civilians. These attacks are exactly what Israel has to defend itself against with its military might.

miriam   July 23rd, 2009 4:49 am ET

Hope,

Now watch the videos and spot the difference between the Israeli boy in the still frame and the Palestinian boy at the start of the first video.

Perhaps remove the Hijab of an Arab lady, or if that is too offensive, stick one on an Israeli and spot the difference.

Your persistant obsession with the appearance of Israelis is puzzling, inaccurate, racial profiling.

If you think that the blog is biased at a first glance, just read the titles of the automatically, possibly related posts!!!!

University rector   July 23rd, 2009 8:02 am ET

The Los Angeles coastal area was first settled by the Tongva (or Gabrieleños) and Chumash Native American tribes thousands of years ago. The first Europeans arrived in 1542 in an expedition organized by the viceroy of New Spain and commanded by Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo, a Portuguese-born explorer who claimed the area of southern California for the Spanish Empire. However, he continued with his voyage up the coast and did not establish a settlement.[6] The next contact would not come until 227 years later, when Gaspar de Portolà, along with Franciscan missionary Juan Crespí, reached the present site of Los Angeles on August 2, 1769. Crespí noted that the site had the potential to be developed into a large settlement.[7]

In 1771, Franciscan friar Junípero Serra built the Mission San Gabriel Arcangel near Whittier Narrows, in what is now called San Gabriel Valley.[8] In 1777, the new governor of California, Felipe de Neve, recommended to Antonio María de Bucareli y Ursúa, viceroy of New Spain, that the site noted by Juan Crespí be developed into a pueblo. The town was officially founded on September 4, 1781, by a group of forty-four settlers known as "Los Pobladores". Tradition has it that on this day they were escorted by four Spanish colonial soldiers, two priests from the Mission and Governor de Neve. The town was named El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río de Porciúncula (The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels on the Porciúncula River).[9] These pueblo settlers came from the common Hispanic culture that had emerged in northern Mexico among a racially mixed society. Two-thirds of the settlers were mestizo or mulatto, and therefore, had African and Indian ancestry. More importantly, they were intermarrying.[10] The settlement remained a small ranch town for decades, but by 1820 the population had increased to about 650 residents.[11] Today, the pueblo is commemorated in the historic district of Los Angeles Pueblo Plaza and Olvera Street, the oldest part of Los Angeles.[12]

New Spain achieved its independence from the Spanish Empire in 1821, and the pueblo continued as a part of Mexico. During Mexican rule, Governor Pío Pico, made Los Angeles Alta California's regional capital. Mexican rule ended during the Mexican–American War: Americans took control from the Californios after a series of battles,

Mordechay Ariely   July 23rd, 2009 8:19 am ET

The life in Gaza could be easely changed by the locals by:
Teaching to promote live and not death
Building a econom and not rockets
Prefer to live in harmony with all the non Isalm religion
However those points are not includede in their narative.

The international comunity invested 3 times more money in Palestinians compared to the nvestments in Europe by the Monro doctrine fast WW2

Europe is floreshing
The Palestinians not/
Why?

Could it be that the leaderes are cultiventing totaly different sicial priorities?
Could it be that in Europe the human being and his welfare is a value however not in Palestinan ?

Israel was 61 years ago one of the poorest countries in the world
Israel absorbed more Jewsh refugies from Arab countries compared to the Arab refugies. Without helf from UN.
Israel, despite being atacked many times by Arab armies and non stop terror, boiccoted by the Arab leage has:
emerged to one of the most advance countries worldwide in since,hethcare, social rights,ecomony
Why Israel is going forward and Palestinans backwarsd?

What are the differances between Israel and Palestinians leaders naratives ?

Those questions should be asked again and again by the media.
The people should be remind in every article about those fundamental questions
Posting one instant oment hard taching picture that doesnt tell the story are differing readers form basic issues that should be solved in order not to have such pictures at all

Filipe   July 23rd, 2009 10:15 am ET

John A,

So what is your point??

Your dissertation said the village was "abandoned by its residents'.

Was this at the request of the Arab leaders who promised the annihilation of Israel? Considering your point of view, I'm certain you would have posted something more strongly worded in favor of the Arabs had you been able to find it. You know, something like. "forced evacuation at gunpoint under threat of death by the Israelis" !

But, anyway, thanks again for the plagiarized cut n paste job-– devoid of any reference to source of origin!

So, is this, once again something you developed in your dreams??

Bur the most disgusting thing about you and your post is that you attempt to justify the actions of Hamas in daily terrorist attacks against a civilian population.

There no justification whatsoever- zero- for launching deadly attacks against a city of civilians where no military targets exist-none !!!

I should expect no less coming from you! What a hypocrite you are-one who squats on land stolen by European immigrants from the Native Americans and the Mexicanos!

John A   July 23rd, 2009 10:45 am ET

So Filipe you think Israels illegal armed occupation of Palestinian land does not justify any form of resistance. Would you prefer they all line up a walk into a concentration camp, without trying to protect themselves from persecution. Perhaps they should just sit in the sand and say "woe to me" while they get ethnically cleansed from the land they were born in. Then more Russians could move in and you would be happy.

Filipe   July 23rd, 2009 10:55 am ET

Hope,

In your previous posts you've always claimed that the "European Jews " are of blond hair and blue eyes. !!! What has changed you mind ?? The mother and child in the photo don't fit with your racial profile or what?

I doubt you could pick out a an Israeli from a line up consisting of only 2 people- an Israeli and a blond haired blue eyed Swede ! You'd certainly get it wrong.

Nor could you distinguish an Israeli from a Greek, Italian, Spaniard or Portuguese using your unsurpassed ability of visual recognition.

You're nothing more than perpetually angry and hateful person. Apparently you can't stand the fact that the Jews had the ability to create a thriving and prosperous society in the midst of a desert wasteland.

Get over it !! Or you'll end up spending the rest of life being a pitiful, spiteful angry person.

G.   July 23rd, 2009 1:28 pm ET

I don't watch videos. No desire to even. I like simple. In North America, there is Canada, the U.S., and Mexico. What an odd mix. Yet we all manage to fix and work to co-exist. I don't see that with the ME. I hate to be that blunt, but I don't. We have bombs and destruction and guys wanting jobs in a really rich oil place. Why? Guys should work. In the U.S., people work. God people or not, and we need health care and homes. I feel sorry for those who can't get along and blow up bombs, especially for their kids, but they make choices. The U.S. has different choices. Thank God. We like everyone mostly and try to understand them. Bad ones, no.

G.   July 23rd, 2009 1:33 pm ET

Here, on CNN, I watched a video in Iraq about a gym. It had pictures. None were of girls, all boys. Why? My daughter lost interest in gym early, but she won the over all prize for it. My older son also lost interest. I guess gym people have to be short and he isn't. But they battled it out on the test, my daughter and son and no big deal. It was just fun and cute. My daughter won by a smidgeon. It was kinda funny. How long are we going to pursue this belief that females are inferior in ways?? That is just weird. How long are we going to suppress people in general? Forever? Isn't that just fear?

G.   July 23rd, 2009 1:37 pm ET

Bombs should stop. Children deserve better. School. All kids, even female kids, want to learn. Shame on the all adults who deny it.

Filipe   July 23rd, 2009 1:38 pm ET

John A,

Violence against civilian populations is not, never has been, nor ever will be justified-for any reason.

The Palestinians don't resist against the military they-they launch rockets and mortars into the towns and cities and villages in Israel where the civilians live.

You know this. Don't play the stupid card. The stupid card is what Hamas plays on a regular basis.

Your attempt to justify violence against civilians is pathetic and cowardly–and you know it!

You'd have a different opinion if it was the Mexicanos or the Native Americans firing rockets at your house.

Get over it!!! Listen to what your Obamessiah told you, your Arab buddies and your Islamic radical associates-- "Israel isn't going to go away" !

Too bad!! Get used to it ! You made the wrong choice 61 years ago! Time to stop crying about it taking out on the civilians!

University rector   July 23rd, 2009 2:12 pm ET

John

Would you prefer they all line up a walk into a concentration camp, without trying to protect themselves from persecution

=========================================

your constant comparisons to nazis show that you are nothing but a low life ignorant antisemite

you were found out wrong so many times that nothing is left for you but compare israel to nazi germany

you have no idea whatsoever about nazi germany.

the closest comparision that can be made to nazi germany is the hamas charter, which is very similar to mein kampf

Hope   July 23rd, 2009 2:25 pm ET

My point was, (at first glance WITHOUT opening any of the videos), the brain has to "see" before it "reads", the tiny winnie titles under each segments.

A close-up (Bright) frozen image of a horrified European looking mother & child evokes a quick emotional respond (a connection if you will) for most.

A distant (Dark) frozen image of 2 Middle Eastern adults..male profile and a scarfed female, (bending over something?)...does not play as much, into the human psychic emotions in the West.

I am aware once you watch both, she is doing her best to present a fair game of misfortune!..

Switch gears for a moment. A close-up frozen image of mutilated weeping Palestinian children, vs. a distant image of Israeli children (coping) or something...would have been another choice!. That all.

Hope   July 23rd, 2009 4:58 pm ET

Barry-

Supporting the Palestinian people for what they had to endure under Israelis spiteful military rule and occupation of 60 years, does not translate into supporting terrorists. Nice try though!!

Great. Now we find out Sderot was originally an Arab village, of Arab origin, inhabited by Arab Palestinians..only founded in 1951, to be gradually injected with Jewish immigrants..(while its original inhabitants dispersed and most likely ended up in camps or locked up in Gaza)...Frankly, that will make Hamas a true resistant group!!!

http://www.occupation101.com/

John A   July 23rd, 2009 5:29 pm ET

Filipe writes: Violence against civilian populations is not, never has been, nor ever will be justified—for any reason.
The Palestinians don’t resist against the military they—they launch rockets and mortars into the towns and cities and villages in Israel where the civilians live.
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Last December the Israeli army killed over 1300 Palestinian civilians.
Israel lost 11 persons. Five soldiers by friendly fire, 4 soldiers killed by Hamas & 2 Civilians by Hamas rockets.

So what Filipe said is true, but the overwhelming numbers and independent news articles suggest what Filipe says should be directed to Israel & not Hamas.

Hamas has far more justification than George Washington ever did.

John A   July 23rd, 2009 5:47 pm ET

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa

Before Israel's War of Independence in 1948, the UN's Special Commission on Palestine in 1947 recommended that Jaffa become part of the planned Jewish state. Due to the large Arab majority, however, it was instead designated as part of the Arab state in the 1947 UN Partition Plan.[21]

Following the inter-comminal violence which broke out following the passing of the UN partition resolution the mayors of Jaffa and Tel Aviv tried to calm their communities.[22] One of the main concerns for the people of Jaffa was the protection of the citrus fruit export trade which had still not reached its pre-Second World War highs. [23] In February Jaffa's Mayor, Yussuf Haykal, contacted David Ben-Gurion through a British intermediary trying to secure a peace agreement with Tel Aviv. But both Ben Gurion's Haganah and the commander of the militia in Jaffa were opposed.[24] At the beginning of 1948 Jaffa's defenders consisted of one Brigade of around 400 men organised by the Muslim Brotherhood.[25]

On Monday 5 January 1948 the Irgun detonated a lorry bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's Ottoman built Town Hall, killing 14 and injuring 19. The driver was reported to be wearing the uniform of the Royal Irish Fusiliers.[26][27][28]

On April 25, 1948, Irgun launched an offensive on Jaffa. This began with a mortar bombardment which went on for three days during which twenty tons of high explosive were fired into the town.[29]. On April 27 the British Government, fearing a repetition of the mass exodus from Haifa the week before, ordered the British Army to confront the Irgun and their offensive ended. Simultaneously the Haganah had launched Operation Chametz which over-ran the villages East of Jaffa and cut the town off from the interior.[30]

The population of Jaffa on the eve of the attack was between 50,000 – 60,000, with some 20,000 people having already left the town.[31] By 30 April there were 15,000 – 25,000 remaining.[32][33] In the following days a further 10,000 – 20,000 people fled by sea. When the Haganah took control of the town on May 14 around 4,000 people were left.[34] The town and the harbour's warehouses were extensively looted.[35][36][37][38] Shortly after, impoverished Jewish families whom the war had left homeless settled in Jaffa.[39]

Another case of the Jews persecuting and using bombs against civilians. This has been the case ever since the UN donated this land to the victims of the holocaust. Now they are desperate to make their own holocaust

Hope   July 23rd, 2009 5:49 pm ET

Filipe..for you!

Samar, a paralyzed young girl

"Israeli soldiers had opened fire at close range – as they lined up outside the house and while Samar's grandmother waved a white flag".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8164582.stm

John A   July 23rd, 2009 6:09 pm ET

Israels bombs and Israels human shields and Israels mass attack on civilians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8128210.stm

The truth wont go away.

Filipe   July 23rd, 2009 9:03 pm ET

John A,

The mere presence of the Hamas militants in the populated areas of Gaza legitimize the location as being a legal military target. I'm sure you are aware of that fact. I'm also sure you choose to ignore it.

But that's what happens when the militants use the civilians and their homes as bunkers, weapons depots and launch sites for rockets and mortars.

None of that is true in Israel.!

Sorry, but you loose again!

Filipe   July 23rd, 2009 9:05 pm ET

John AJebusote,

George Washington never used violence or armed resistance against any British civilians.

Where did you get that nonsense from, your personal book of Revolutionary Fairytales!

Barry   July 23rd, 2009 9:13 pm ET

Hopeless -

The Palestinian people in Gaza elected the Islamic terrorist government of Hamas overwhelmingly with something like 87% of the vote. The remaining votes went to a different Islamic terrorist organization, Fatah. Apparently they just can't agree on how best to kill Jewish civilians, but they all seem to agree that Jewish people must all die. Their mandate and their actions seems pretty clear to all concerned.

Palestinian supporters are absolutely supporting Islamic terrorism. The Palestinians are 100% committed to Islamic terrorism according to their own votes. Why do you think neighboring countries keep Palestinians locked up in camps? Why do you think Jordan is revoking the citizenship of Palestinians? It has nothing to do with how the Palestinians perceive how they are being treated by the Israelis. The Israelis give these people more freedom than they get anywhere else! I wouldn't be so generous if I had Palestinian Islamic terrorists living on my land in my country. Yes, the land belongs to the Jews. It has for thousands of years, long before Islam was invented by a lunatic mass murderer and long before the Arab invaders came in the 7th – 10th centuries. No amount of your fairytale history can change these facts.

Filipe   July 23rd, 2009 9:14 pm ET

No Hope,

For you-–I've always said, if there have been crimes committed, those guilty should be held accountable. No one is above the law.

That being said-- let the evidence be presented and if a crime has been committed, those responsible should be held accountable.

I don't believe the accuracy of unsubstantiated accounts by news sources any more than you do.

If there is real hard evidence–let the court deal with it.

It's not for me or you or the BBC or AI or the UNRWA to pronounce any one guilty.

John A   July 23rd, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Filipe writes;
Hamas militants in the populated areas of Gaza legitimize the location as being a legal military target.
Israels bombs and Israels human shields and Israels mass attack on civilians.
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Filipe your last blog will be welcome & congratulated by war criminals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8128210.stm

The truth wont go away.

John A   July 23rd, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Filipe writes;
Hamas militants in the populated areas of Gaza legitimize the location as being a legal military target.

————————————————————————————————
Filipe your last blog will be welcome & congratulated by war criminals.

Israels bombs and Israels uses human shields and Israels makes mass attack on civilians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8128210.stm

The truth wont go away.

Filipe   July 23rd, 2009 9:24 pm ET

John A Jebusite,

Nice history lesson on Jaffa! What's your point ??

It's nothing more than another location the Palestinians lost due their ignorance, ineptness and unmatched incompetence.

Besides, Irgun was disbanded over 60 years ago, and it has nothing to do with the IDF.

Have some cheese with your whine !

Barry   July 23rd, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Hopeless -

You quote is misleading, as expected. What the article ACTUALLY says is, "The family alleged that Israeli soldiers had opened fire at close range – as they lined up outside the house and while Samar's grandmother waved a white flag."

Note the word "ALLEGED". The Palestinians are famous for their allegations of massacres that didn't happen. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin .

Then there is the other part of the story that you "forgot" to mention:

"The Israeli Defence Force has told the BBC that their inquiry into the family's allegations had found no evidence of such an incident. They stressed they have never targeted innocent civilians."

Busted again, Hopeless, but thanks for trying.

university rector   July 23rd, 2009 9:34 pm ET

hope

what do you calll this:

Several hours after the murderous attack on the Hatuel family of Katif – leaving David Hatuel bereft of his entire family: his pregnant wife and four daughters – PA radio praised the murderous terrorists as "heroic martyrs," and their heinous crime as one of "heroic martyrdom." In its report the next morning, the PA radio referred to the Jewish residents of Gaza as "settlers" and "terrorists" in light of their plans to build a new neighborhood in N'vei Dekalim. The radio mentioned that the victims of the Sunday attack were "settlers," neglecting to note that they were a pregnant woman and four little girls who were shot to death at point-blank range.

Barry   July 23rd, 2009 9:55 pm ET

John A -

Your right, the truth won't go away. More quotes from your article:

"In March, Israel's military said the overall Palestinian death toll was 1,166, of whom 295 were "uninvolved" civilians."

"Israeli officials responded saying the military targeted only areas where Palestinian militants were operating, and accused Hamas of turning civilian neighbourhoods into "war zones".

"We tried to be as surgical as is humanly possible in a difficult combat situation," Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev told the BBC.

However, Amnesty says Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups had endangered Palestinian civilians by firing rockets from residential neighbourhoods and storing weapons in them.

It says local residents had in one case told researchers that Hamas fighters had fired a rocket from the yard of a government school.

It also says Palestinian militants rocket fire from the Gaza Strip was "indiscriminate and hence unlawful under international law", although it only rarely caused civilian casualties.

The Israeli military has repeatedly blamed Hamas for causing civilian casualties, saying its fighters operated from buildings like schools, medical facilities, religious institutions, residential homes and commercial premises."

War is ugly all around, but the Arabs/Palestinians/Muslims seem to crave war, hatred, death and violence. They teach their children that all Jews and Christians are apes and pigs. They teach them the glory of jihad and how killing infidels will get them into heaven. They dress their children up as terrorists and give them guns to parade around with. They rejoice in murder and mayhem like when the World Trade Center was bombed or when the murderer Marwan Barghouti was released. That really shows the character of these people. That is why they started this war and all the others against Israel. They have no respect for life, no respect for the law, and no respect for the truth.

Still, anyone who commits war crimes from either side should by tried in a court of law based on the available evidence. The difference is that the Palestinians are still committing their war crimes – every time they fire another rocket or mortar at Israeli civilians.

Hope   July 23rd, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Match if you can..

a) focus 1– Filipe
b) circumcision 2– Moderators
c) erections 3– John A
d) somprehension 4– G
e) delete delete delete 5– Miriam

Hope   July 24th, 2009 5:17 am ET

Check out this photo taken in 1948 of elder Arabs DRIVEN out of Haifa by Armed Jewish immigrants...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haifa_Exodus_1.png

Hello miriam!– those armed jews were NOT terrorists?
I'm sorry, but they do look like 3 thugs!!..and what did they need riffles for? the elders can barely walk..or was it for sweeping natives out of their homes by any chance. Explain the rug please, a picnic under the olive tree? or exodus to a refugee camp..
Too bad Photoshop was not around in those days!

miriam   July 24th, 2009 10:12 am ET

Hope,

Let's assume that picture is as you believe it to be, although there is no proof that this was Haifa or that the people were being "driven out",or that they are Arabs. Jews lived in Haifa and also possessed carpets! The "elders" do not appear distressed and the "thugs" do not seem in the least aggressive.

Your obsession with racial profiling is sickening. Those with rifles could very well be from local Jewish families who have lived there for centuries, however, one of the 'elders' is probably not of Arab descent and possibly a slave, one of many commonly employed by Arabs at the time.

This photo proves nothing. It is not disputed that Arabs left their homes as did Jews. The Arabs who left Haifa were those who refused to listen to their own local leaders who begged them not to leave but prefered to believe the broadcasts of the Arab leaders of imminent defeat of the Jews in ruthless Arab attacks. Those who did not leave are still resident in their homes in Haifa.

John A,

You both seem very informed by Wikipedia.
To save you the bother of researching anywhere else, why not check out what wikipedia has to say about "wikipedia"!!!!

John A   July 24th, 2009 11:04 am ET

Barry writes: The Israeli military has repeatedly blamed Hamas for causing civilian casualties, saying its fighters operated from buildings like schools, medical facilities, religious institutions, residential homes and commercial premises.
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Israel never been able to prove Hamas uses human sheilds.

The International Red Cross, Amnesty International and the Guardian News Paper have all provided photographic evidence of the Israeli army using Palestinian children as shields. To date no organization has provided proof that Hamas has ever used a human shield.

Filipe   July 24th, 2009 11:29 am ET

Hope,

Thanks for the news update from 60 years ago !! What does this have to do with the topic of the blog–"Both sides of the Gaza Border" ???

Can't find anything more recent to bring to the discussion ???

You can that your Arab brothers for constructing and confining you in the refugee camps. These were all built–100% on non-Israeli, Arab land ! What good friends your Arab brothers are!!! You should be eternally thankful for their continued help and support !

Filipe   July 24th, 2009 11:37 am ET

Hope,

Pretty funny stuff there !!! The article doesn't claim anyone in the photo are Jewish !!!! Why do you think that?? Because some of them have guns ?? Arabs had guns also--go figure!!! The article simply says–"Arabs leaving Haifa as Jewish forces enter the city, April 21-22, 1948". Doesn't mention a word about Jews in the photo !!!

Besides, they all look to Arabs to me !!! None of them come any where close to what you cal "Blond haired, blue eyed European Jewish Immigrants" !

Wow !!!! Attempted photographic deception without the use of Photoshop !

Amazing what you can come up with !!

university rector   July 24th, 2009 1:19 pm ET

hope

what do you call this:

Several hours after the murderous attack on the Hatuel family of Katif – leaving David Hatuel bereft of his entire family: his pregnant wife and four daughters – PA radio praised the murderous terrorists as “heroic martyrs,” and their heinous crime as one of “heroic martyrdom.” In its report the next morning, the PA radio referred to the Jewish residents of Gaza as “settlers” and “terrorists” in light of their plans to build a new neighborhood in N’vei Dekalim. The radio mentioned that the victims of the Sunday attack were “settlers,” neglecting to note that they were a pregnant woman and four little girls who were shot to death at point-blank range.

Hope   July 24th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

I post a couple of links and my 3 special friends go on a frantic rampage, go figure!..btw, DVD for Occupation 101 documentary is on sale for $22.99 (25% off), standard rate is $27.99.

Oh guess what, got myself a Box of 30!!, for 60%off!!!..Xmas gifts!!..A great lesson tool for our young explaining the harsh reality of Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people. Sooo exited....

http://www.occupation101.com/purchase.html

Hope   July 24th, 2009 2:50 pm ET

Occupation 101
Voices of the Silenced Majority

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is not Ignorance.....
It is the Illusion of Knowledge....
–Stephen Hawking–

http://www.occupation101.com/index.html

Filipe   July 24th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

Hope,

Since you fail to understand what the Haifa Exodus really was, here is a link that wil will provide and adequet and accurate explanation.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/PhotosExodus.html

university rector   July 24th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

and while your at it, HOPE what is your comment about this:

On October 12, 2000, two non-combatant Israeli reservists (serving as drivers), Vadim Nurzhitz and Yossi Avrahami, mistakenly entered Ramallah. Upon entering the city, Palestinian Authority policeman detained the reservists and took them to their local police station. Hearing rumors that undercover Israeli agents (like from the elite Duvdevan Unit) were in the building, a crowd of over 1,000 Palestinians gathered at the station, calling for the death of the Israelis. Soon after, Palestinian rioters stormed the building, beating and stabbing the soldiers to death. At this point, a Palestinian (later identified as Aziz Salha), appeared at the police station window, displaying his blood-stained hands to the crowd, which erupted into cheers. One of the soldier's bodies was then thrown out the window and stamped and beaten by the enraged mob. Soon after, the mob dragged the two mutilated bodies to Al-Manara Square in the city center as the crowd began an impromptu victory celebration.

Filipe   July 24th, 2009 5:27 pm ET

Hope,

I'm sure if your recently found DVD had any moral justification, verifiable facts, educational value or newsworthy information that would enhance one's accurate unbiased understanding of the subject matter, it would receive unlimited air time and news commentary on all the major international news outlets.

But the who's who of contributors tops the world list of certified Jew Bashers!

Probably why no one has ever taken it as a serious compilation of facts!

But since it appears that its made no impression on any reputable informational news sources, must only mean one thing-- it lacks any informational or educational value and is classified as nothing more than propaganda .

After all, if this wonderful DVD was true to it's professed subject, they should have no issue in airing it on the net-for free. But no !!!!!! It's for sale !!!!!

Please buy my DVD–25% off -get em while there hot !!!! Limited Qty. !!!!

The children in Palestine need more guns, ammunition and rockets!!!

But here is a video all can watch for free !!!! Covers the same subject matter as the one above advertised for $22.99 ( 25% of the regular $27.99)

http://www.spike.com/video/hamas-militants/2753698

And it's Free!!!!!!

Hope   July 24th, 2009 6:23 pm ET

miriam..A jelly fish has enough somprehension skills to understand that JEWS did drive, kill, whip, smacked,shoved, beat, the Arab native of Palestine to make way for Jewish immigrants, new to a land they have ABSOLUTELY NO tie too. (don't give me your crap of 2000 year biblical take on this)..God gave NO ONE anything! You're funny.

its Friday, been fun/entertaining reading comments...have a good weekend.

Filipe   July 24th, 2009 6:48 pm ET

Hope,

I'm glad to know you're so positively certain what God did not do! Who told you this ??? Did they also tell you what He did do ??

But if you don't believe in history, then you are truly Hopeless.

Even you presented documented facts via the links you posted that Israelites have lived in the Land of Israel for over 3 millenia. What changed your mind??

Did you have time to reconsider the facts and decide those posts didn't meet with your personal agenda?

If you're so concerned about foreign immigrants you should voice your hatred, frustrations and concern at your own government. After all, the entire population of you country has ABSOLUTELYNO TIES to the land in North America.

Worry about your own business. What business is it of yours anyway, who the Israeli decide to grant permission to enter Israel??

No one tells the US who they can or can't grant admission to!

You live in the US and think you control the friggin' world and all those in it !

Itai   July 24th, 2009 7:26 pm ET

israel is founded on hate

jews from all over th world did illegaly imigrate to palestine
also jews who had nothing to suffer under ww2.. rich jews from everywhere
thy were in hope to reach a holy promised land
and they came to a place where the brithish soldiers did threat them as illegal emigrantes
they were the same welcome as today the illegal emigrants from africa in europe
they did bombings on brithish people, they did did hide weapons in syagogues, and they had differend well organized terrororanizations
they saw the native people in palestine as animals and also called them official sub-animal
they killed them and they did robb the land of them
so the stupid ones did offer them the land in hope to get peace
and today the israelis still robb the land of palestinians and they opress them and they do te same to palestinians as the nazis did to them
they use the same cruel methods against others as they still cry today about because the germans did use it against them
still today there are some sick germans defending hitler.
still today here is filipe and guys as barry and how ever he calls him self defending the methods of the nazis because today these methods are used by israelians against muslims

the pain in gaza and whole palestine is unbelievebal cruel and a shame for humanity broght by israel the poor nazi victim and tolerated as also silent supported by the USA the strongest aly of the devil

israel crys all the time "they dont want peace" in the same time they threat palestinians still today as animals or sub
how israel wanna get peace? by taking them all the time the land away and by killing them with cruel weapons of massdestruction of life

childrens in palestine will never forget why they will suffer for life ... as the jews never forgot why they did came to israel to fight for theyr own country based on theyr religion

its a shame!
i my self am proud of my grand parents!
they had choosen to stay in europe and they never thoght about to go on the land of others to threat them with terrorism
my grand parents were not in a terrororganization not as the grand parents of the israelis which used terror to robb land as they still do today

i know my history and i suffer with the palestinians because israelians do the same to them as the SS did to my family

so CNN is this too much for you?
do you have to censore this post?
or can you handle a other view on your best friend in israel?

university rector   July 24th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

HOPE

too ashamed to reply?

G.   July 24th, 2009 7:50 pm ET

I am tired of complaints, in general. Get over them. How does the world move forward to support the billions of poeple, BILLIONS, of people now on the earth. As kind people, everyone should have food, shelter, meds, and happiness. Basics. So how do we go there? Giving people stuff for free never works. The ME has oil so they are good. They have huge wealth, to spend on bombs or industrial plants, but in the U.S., people need care. Asia has done a good job at building. How do we, with so many people, care about individuals. That is the deal.

university rector   July 24th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

HOpe

I am still waiting for your answer, or are you too ashamed to reply

university rector   July 25th, 2009 10:06 am ET

itai

the array of falsifications and lies in your post never fail to amaze me

where do you get so much bull from? your hate for jews is so great that you do not shy away from any lie, from incitement against jews

i pity you in all your misery and hate

Barry   July 25th, 2009 10:32 am ET

John A-

Those were words in the article provided by you! Didn't you read the article or is it that you just didn't understand it again?

The Israelis don't have to prove that Hamas used human shields. Hamas has bragged about this tactic:

Filipe   July 25th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

Gaza: 2 Hamas men killed in 'work accident'

Members of Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades die in blast while placing explosive charges near border fence

Two members of the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing, were killed in a strong blast near the al-Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza. The two were said to have been placing explosive charges near the border fence

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3751768,00.html

It's always a tragedy when someone is killed in a work related accident !

So where are the Health and Safety Officials ??

What a hoot !!!!!

university rector   July 25th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

again CS and John A Hope and Co all their aliases steal screen names and post absolute bull

this an act of desparation, they know they are caught in a web of lies and falsification of history

miriam   July 26th, 2009 9:01 am ET

Hope,

When did history begin?

At your convenience?

Does it stop and start and skip over the parts that don't fit in with your ideology?

Does it twist and change to suit 2009's "politically correct" racism and discrimination, demonization and delegitimization?

university rector   July 26th, 2009 3:14 pm ET

John A

where are you hiding? why is there no response to the clip posted by Barry?

what are you afraid off?

C A U G H T A G A I N !!!!!!

John A   July 26th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Look at a real child in the Middle East and forget your worthless propaganda Barry.

Barry please find a link from a real source like the BBC, Reuters etc

Here is a link to a true Middle East story about a real Middle Eat kid:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8164582.stm

Barry   July 27th, 2009 5:06 am ET

John A -

The video was in response you your comments about human shields. Are you saying that this video of Hamas bragging about their industry of death and the use of women, children, and the elderly as human shields is not true? This is not my video, its from your Palestinian pals at Hamas! This is not my propaganda, its from your "resistance fighters/war criminals/Islamic terrorists". Are you saying that information from Hamas is not coming from a "real source"?

Any way you try to weasel your way out of this, you still lose.

What is a Middle Eat kid? Have the Muslims added cannibalism to supplement their pedophilia?

miriam   July 27th, 2009 5:44 am ET

John A and UR,

Where do you think the BBC and the like get their information?

Hamas's al Asqa TV is real and the medium of choice (and force) in Gaza.

University rector   July 27th, 2009 5:47 am ET

john A

no response to the clip Barry posted?

afraid to face the truth?

afraid to admit that your brethren Hamas are low life terrorists?

how typical of you

University rector   July 27th, 2009 5:49 am ET

Jon A

This is what your friends do best:

Several hours after the murderous attack on the Hatuel family of Katif – leaving David Hatuel bereft of his entire family: his pregnant wife and four daughters – PA radio praised the murderous terrorists as "heroic martyrs," and their heinous crime as one of "heroic martyrdom." In its report the next morning, the PA radio referred to the Jewish residents of Gaza as "settlers" and "terrorists" in light of their plans to build a new neighborhood in N'vei Dekalim. The radio mentioned that the victims of the Sunday attack were "settlers," neglecting to note that they were a pregnant woman and four little girls who were shot to death at point-blank range.

John A   July 27th, 2009 10:27 am ET

One other thing. There were no Hamas gunmen hiding inside this poor girls nappies!!!!

So Barry please read this link from a respected source of news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8164582.stm

Filipe   July 27th, 2009 10:35 am ET

John A,

Of course, when someone posts a video which is obviously produced by an Arabic source, non-main stream media, it must be "propaganda".

What's the problem with relying on videos that are broadcast by Arabic TV stations???

Why would you say they are propaganda ???

miriam   July 27th, 2009 12:55 pm ET

Sorry, that should be al Aqsa!!

Filipe   July 27th, 2009 3:07 pm ET

John A,

What's wrong-don't you trust a televised public address from a Hamas official broadcast on Hamas TV ???

What are you saying-Hamas can't be trusted to tell the truth ???

Please explain how your Hamas brothers and their public proclamations are "worthless propaganda" !!!!!

Do they know you feel that way??? Better be careful–they'll hunt you down and knee-cap you !

You're a sad case. Whose name are you going use next when you post your rhetorical rants about Israel and the Jews???

Surprise us– Ant- Head !!! is that what the "A" stands for ??

G.   July 27th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

I can only hope that my children will never have to grow up with Hamas or anyone like them. Bombs are bad. I can only hope that my only daughter grows up to be herself, good or bad. Growing is good. The wrong stuff, we'll fix next time.

G.   July 27th, 2009 3:17 pm ET

I figure some, maybe many, will have a lot of "next times," so I hope they are having fun and enjoying themselves. Many times sounds like too many for me. But I'm pretty happy anywhere, regardless. I don't think that I have to go there, in general, myself. I can only hope.

university rector   July 27th, 2009 5:39 pm ET

John A

I am waiting for your response:

Several hours after the murderous attack on the Hatuel family of Katif – leaving David Hatuel bereft of his entire family: his pregnant wife and four daughters – PA radio praised the murderous terrorists as “heroic martyrs,” and their heinous crime as one of “heroic martyrdom.” In its report the next morning, the PA radio referred to the Jewish residents of Gaza as “settlers” and “terrorists” in light of their plans to build a new neighborhood in N’vei Dekalim. The radio mentioned that the victims of the Sunday attack were “settlers,” neglecting to note that they were a pregnant woman and four little girls who were shot to death at point-blank range.

Barry   July 27th, 2009 6:59 pm ET

John A -

You brought up the subject of human shields. How come now that I have provided proof of Hamas bragging about using human shields you suddenly don't want to talk about it anymore?

Again you are saying that I should read from a respected source of news. Are you saying that the televised Hamas videos are not respected sources of information? Are you saying that the Hamas videos are lies? I personally find them very informative. It shows exactly the type of "people" the Israelis are up against. It shows the Palestinians to be lowlife, Islamic terrorist scum that have no respect for life.

Or, are you really saying that the only sources of news that you respect are the ones that tell an unbalanced, one-sided tale demonizing Israel?

university rector   July 27th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

John A

Hamas summercamp:

Idyllic days at summer camp usually involve kickball, arts and crafts and some smooth sailing on a placid mountain lake.

But when the camp is run by Hamas, kids also have to make time to learn the finer points of kidnapping.

Palestinian children in Gaza are being indoctrinated at Hamas summer camps, where they have re-enacted the abduction of Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit — all while top Hamas officials look happily on, according to The Jerusalem Post.

Young campers put on a show acting out the taking of Schalit in the presence of the senior Hamas official who is leading negotiations with Israel over the soldier's release, according to the paper. Schalit was snatched in a cross-border raid in June 2006 and is still being held hostage by Hamas.

university rector   July 27th, 2009 8:33 pm ET

The Palestinian Islamist Hamas rulers of the Gaza Strip have enacted a new law obliging all women to cover their hair with the Muslim hijab. Sunday, July 26, "modesty patrols" were out on the streets and beaches of the Gaza Strip enforcing the new edict. They also inspected cars to ascertain that unmarried couples were not alone together. Female attorneys were earlier ordered to wear dresses in court.

The Gaza Strip's slide into sharia law emphasizes its separation from the West Bank where secular modes are tolerated, further distancing the extremist Hamas from Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah which rules the West Bank.

It coincides with a British parliamentary group's advice to Gordon Brown's government to seek ways of engaging Hamas "moderates."

miriam   July 28th, 2009 7:47 am ET

John A,

The IDF has repeatedly said that they were not involved in such an incident.

What we do know is that Hamas terrorists were operating wearing IDF uniforms and did shoot and kill Fatah supporters and anyone they believed to be collaborators.

That information comes from Palestinian sources, not just Israeli.

John A   July 28th, 2009 9:43 am ET

What family would willing take its children into an illegally occupied military zone, where legitimate resistance is rife? The gunmen were ruthless, but the mad Zionist families who think they can waltz into other peoples land and place their children in the middle of a conflict should have their children removed by social services. In effect these radical religious Zionists are using their own children as human shields, so they can trespass and rob other peoples land. Lock them up and their children will remain safe.

John A   July 28th, 2009 9:50 am ET

And before you write back with you allegations of John A supports terror, please honestly ask yourself a simple question.

What loving parent would intentionally place their children in a hostile and militarized environment? Would you?

Such people do not deserve the blessing of being parents. Israel should lock them up and protect their young from such extreme Zionist lunatics.

John A   July 28th, 2009 9:59 am ET

ps Miriam claims Israel has a free press and all the worlds media are in Israel. So please send a non Zionist link which confirms your story, I have been unable to find one. This suggests you are telling stories again. In WWI the west recruited fighters by depicting babies on the end of German bayonets. Are you trying to recruit fighters?

university rector   July 28th, 2009 8:09 pm ET

John A

afraid to reply?

I am waiting for your response:

Several hours after the murderous attack on the Hatuel family of Katif – leaving David Hatuel bereft of his entire family: his pregnant wife and four daughters – PA radio praised the murderous terrorists as “heroic martyrs,” and their heinous crime as one of “heroic martyrdom.” In its report the next morning, the PA radio referred to the Jewish residents of Gaza as “settlers” and “terrorists” in light of their plans to build a new neighborhood in N’vei Dekalim. The radio mentioned that the victims of the Sunday attack were “settlers,” neglecting to note that they were a pregnant woman and four little girls who were shot to death at point-blank range.

university rector   July 28th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

John A has justified the mafia style execution of the mother and her four daughters by his buddies, Hamas

Now he has shown his true face, a cold blooded terror supporter for whom any murder is justified in the name of the "occupation"

Filipe   July 28th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

John A?

You said--"What loving parent would intentionally place their children in a hostile and militarized environment? Would you?"

Funny you should ask !!!!!!!! It appears to me that every parent in Gaza has chosen to do exactly that !!!

Your suggestion that they be locked up is a valid one !!

Maybe that's why Egypt won"t allow any of them into Egypt. The same reason Israel doesn't want them in Israel.

Go Figure !!!

Filipe   July 29th, 2009 12:06 am ET

John A,

What miriam states has been posted many times for you to read and ignore.

If you really wanted to find the proof you would.

But here you go !!!

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/hamas-has-%C2%ABweapons-of-mass-deception%C2%BB/

Hamas has always been willing to use suicide bombers, and they even use their own children as human shields when they shoot at Israeli soldiers. When the IDF fires back, innocent children loose their life. Next: The Hamas terrorist parade dead children in the streets of Gaza. International media gets pictures for their « Breaking News», that put the blame on Israel.

The most effective tactics of Hamas is to pose in IDF-uniforms. When such soldiers massacre their own people, they might get International observers as «objective witnesses», accusing Israel of war crimes.

*****************************************************

It's actually pretty simple !!!!

All you need to do is type in "hamas wearing IDF uniforms" into google and you get 16,800 hits !

Pick anyone you want--read them all--you'll be busy for days and days !!!!

Barry   July 29th, 2009 3:57 am ET

John A -

You have repeatedly shown your support for Islamic terrorism. That isn't even a question in any-one's mind anymore.

You ask, "What loving parent would intentionally place their children in a hostile and militarized environment?"

The answer is simple, the Palestinians. The Palestinians create a hostile and militarized environment run by Islamic terrorists. They have disregarded all attempts at peace. They continually start more conflict. They teach their children about the glory of jihad and how killing innocent Israelis will get them into heaven.

Such people do not deserve the blessing of being parents. Israel should lock them up and protect their young from such extreme Islamic lunatics.

BTW, we're all still waiting for you to answer questions about Hamas's admission on using human shields. It's no wonder that Amnesty International has accused the Palestinians of WAR CRIMES for their constant and indiscriminate attacks on Israeli civilians.

miriam   July 29th, 2009 10:26 am ET

John A,

There is nothing illegal about wanting to move back to the areas your ancestors came from. Sometimes the political situation allows you to achieve that desire and sometimes not.

Jews inhabited all areas of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank except for the period when it was under Jordanian rule and following 1929 massacres by Arabs in Gaza and Hebron.

It is not illegal for Jews to live in the West Bank or anywhere else in the world.
There is no "occupation" in the West Bank under International Law.
Even if there was an occupation it would not be illegal under International Law.

Perhaps all citizens of the world are endangering their children because there are fanatics out there who prefer to use force and terrorism to achieve their objectives.

G.   July 29th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

I have read about, in real life, women who strap on bombs and kill others. That is soo weird to me. I can't even imagine it. If someone broke in tomorrow, I'd have a hard time hitting them very hard. How cruel could I get? It would be hard. I suppose if miserable and unfeeling and really scared, I'd hope for a different place and death. But that would be a really sad place to go.

G.   July 29th, 2009 4:07 pm ET

On some level, I think guys (men) have to take responsibility for the children and women who care for them. That means hard work and restraint and working for those kids daily. Any costume that allows their partners, females, limited input, seems harmful to me. Children, male and female, want to repect their mothers as much as women and not feel they are tied up in some clothes thing or religious thing. They want two strong parents. That takes a lot of work and a lot of understanding of those with problems or insights who have different beliefs.

Mostly, I think guys just have to work and support their families. It's a lot easier to goof with bombs maybe. Scare people. But, most of us just tolerate such backwards behavior.

Filipe   July 29th, 2009 5:08 pm ET

Same Old Same Old in Gaza !!!! No wonder no one wants to let them out to wander freely outside.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) – A Gaza man is being held on suspicion he bludgeoned his daughter with an iron chain, cracking her skull in a particularly brutal family honor killing, two human rights groups said Wednesday, citing police and forensics reports.

The assault was triggered by Jawdat Najjar's discovery that his daughter Fadia a 27-year-old divorced mother of five – owned a cell phone, the groups said. He suspected she used it to speak to a man outside the family, according to the groups' reports.

Her father used an iron chain to beat her, while also kicking and punching her for about 40 minutes until she died of a fatal blow to the head, said Mezan and the PCHR

Three of the woman's brothers were also detained on suspicion that they acted as accomplices, said the rights groups Mezan and the Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR), citing police and forensics reports. The groups did not say how they obtained the reports

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1103773.html

Ho ahead there John A Jebusite-– explain to all of us how this is Zionist propaganda circulated by the Associated Press !!!!!

These people are exactly where they belong!!!

John A   July 29th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

Barry and Filipe, you just cant help but show the world how stupid you are. So you think the Palestinians asked the Jews to arrive in 1947 and take their land which they have lived in for generations. Just how did Paestinians put themselves in the middle of this conflict. Nice try to avoid your responsibility though. Lame brains. Zionist parents take their children into other peoples land, begin a conflict and then claim others are terrorists if they resist. You guy are a joke and Israels children pay the price. Well done.

John A   July 29th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

And Dan Rector you have not even provided any proof that your murder story is true. All you can do is make hateful stories and lie. You lie about your identity, you invent multiple characters on this blog to claim support and you make up news.

university rector   July 29th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

John A

you doubt the murder of the pregnant mother and her daughters?

you are even more ignorant and stupid then I thought, you could have tried at least to google it before making your ludicrous accusation.

i have never ever posted anything that is not 100% verifyable, in contrast to the unfounded allegations and lies you post

university rector   July 29th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

John A

here are some more of the HEROIC deeds of your good friends

disprove even one!!!Can you? did any of these incidents not happen?? do you doubt any of them??

Nov 2, 2000 – Jerusalem
Two people were killed and 10 injured by a car bomb explosion near the Mahane Yehuda market. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
Nov 20, 2000 – Gush Katif
Two people were killed and 9 injured by a roadside bomb that exploded alongside a bus carrying children to school.
Nov 22, 2000 – Hadera
Two people were killed, and 60 wounded when a powerful car bomb was detonated alongside a passing bus on the town's main street.
Nov 28, 2000 – Kfar Saba
Two Israeli teenagers on their way to school were killed in a suicide terrorist attack near the "Meeting Place of Peace" gas station in Neve Yamin. The bomber, from the Hamas terror group, blew himself up in a gathering of students waiting at a bus stop. Four other teenagers were wounded, one critically.
Jan 1, 2001 – Netanya
60 people were injured when a car bomb exploded near a bus stop in the shopping district.
Feb 14, 2001 – Holon
Eight people were killed and 25 injured when a bus driven by a Palestinian terrorist plowed into a group of soldiers and civilians waiting at a bus stop.
Mar 4, 2001 – Netanya
Three people were killed and more than 60 injured in a suicide bombing in the downtown area.
May 18, 2001 – Netanya
A Palestinian suicide bomber detonated himself outside a shopping mall, killing five people and injuring over 100. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Jun 1, 2001 – Tel Aviv
21 young people were killed and 120 wounded by a suicide bomber outside the Dolphinarium disco along the seafront promenade.
Aug 9, 2001 – Jerusalem
15 people were killed (including 7 children) and 130 injured in a suicide bombing at the Sbarro pizzeria on the corner of King George Street and Jaffa Road in the city center. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
July 16, 2001 – Binyamina
Two Israeli soldiers were killed and 11 people were wounded when a suicide terrorist attacked at a bus stop near the train station. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Sept 9, 2001 – Nahariya
Three people were killed and 90 injured in a suicide bombing near the Nahariya train station. The terrorist waited until the train arrived from Tel-Aviv and people were exiting the station, and then exploded the bomb he was carrying. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Nov 29, 2001 – Hadera
Three people were killed and nine others wounded in a suicide bombing on Egged bus #823 enroute from Nazereth to Tel Aviv near the city of Hadera. Islamic Jihad and Fatah both claimed responsibility for the attack.
Dec 1, 2001 – Jerusalem
11 people were killed and 180 injured by two suicide bombers on Ben Yehuda Street's pedestrian mall. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Dec 2, 2001 – Haifa
15 people were killed and 40 injured in a suicide bombing on Egged bus #16. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Jan 27, 2002 – Jerusalem
An elderly man was killed and over 150 people wounded in a suicide bombing on Jaffa Road in the center of Jerusalem. A female terrorist, identified as a Fatah member, was armed with more than 10 kilos of explosives.
Feb 16, 2002 – Karnei Shomron
Three teenagers were killed and 30 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up on Saturday night at a pizzeria in a shopping mall. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack.
Mar 2, 2002 – Jerusalem
10 people were killed and over 50 injured in a suicide bombing in the ultra-Orthodox Beit Yisrael neighborhood where people had gathered for a bar-mitzvah celebration. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the attack.
Mar 9, 2002 – Jerusalem
11 people were killed and 54 injured when a suicide bomber exploded in the crowded Moment Cafe in the Rehavia neighborhood. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Mar 20, 2002 – Musmus
Seven people were killed and 30 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus traveling from Tel Aviv to Nazareth at the Musmus junction on Highway 65 (Wadi Ara). Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
Mar 21, 2002 – Jerusalem
Three people were killed and 86 injured in a suicide bombing on King George Street. The terrorist detonated the bomb, packed with metal spikes and nails, in the center of a crowd of shoppers. The Fatah al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
Mar 27, 2002 – Netanya
30 people were killed and 140 injured in a suicide bombing at the Park Hotel, in the midst of the Passover holiday seder with 250 guests. The bomber was a member of Hamas, on the list of wanted terrorists Israel had requested that the Palestinian Authority arrest.
Mar 29, 2002 – Jerusalem
Two people were killed and 28 injured when a female suicide bomber blew herself up in a supermarket in the Kiryat Yovel neighborhood. Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
Mar 31, 2002 – Haifa
15 people were killed and over 40 injured in a suicide bombing in the Matza restaurant near the Grand Canyon shopping mall. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Apr 10, 2002 – Kibbutz Yagur
Eight people were killed and 22 injured in a suicide bombing on Egged bus #960 en route from Haifa to Jerusalem.
Apr 12, 2002 – Jerusalem
Six people were killed and 104 wounded when a woman suicide bomber detonated a powerful charge at the entrance to the Mahane Yehuda open-air market. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
April 27, 2002 – Adora
A five-year-old girl and three other Israelis were killed when terrorists infiltrated the community of Adora in the southern Hebron Hills and shot them to death.
May 7, 2002 – Rishon Lezion
16 people were killed and 55 wounded on the 3rd floor of a crowded game club when a suicide bomber detonated a powerful charge causing part of the building to collapse. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
May 19, 2002 – Netanya
Three people were killed and 59 injured when a suicide bomber disguised as a soldier blew himself up in a market. Both Hamas and the PFLP took responsibility for the attack.
May 23, 2002 – Tel Aviv
Terrorists used a remote control device to detonate a bomb planted underneath a fuel truck at the Pi Glilot fuel depot north of Tel Aviv, in an attempt to create a mega attack that would explode adjacent fuel tanks. The truck burst into flames, but the blaze was quickly contained. No one was hurt.
May 27, 2002 – Petah Tikva
A woman and her infant granddaughter were killed and 37 people were injured when a suicide bomber detonated himself near an ice cream parlor outside a shopping mall. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
Jun 5, 2002 – Megiddo junction
17 people were killed and 38 injured when a car packed with explosives struck Egged bus #830 traveling from Tel Aviv to Tiberias. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
Jun 18, 2002 – Jerusalem
19 people were killed and 74 injured in a suicide bombing on an Egged bus traveling in the Gilo suburb of Jerusalem to the center of town. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Jun 19, 2002 – Jerusalem
Seven people were killed and 30 injured by a suicide bombing at a crowded bus stop and hitchhiking post in the French Hill neighborhood. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
Jul 16, 2002 – Emmanuel
Nine people were killed and 20 injured in a bombing and shooting attack on Dan bus #189 traveling from Bnei Brak. While four terror organizations claimed responsibility for the attack, it was apparently carried out by Hamas.
Jul 17, 2002 – Tel Aviv
Five people were killed and 40 injured in a double suicide bombing on Neve Shaanan Street near the old central bus station.
Jul 31, 2002 – Jerusalem
Five students were killed and 85 wounded when a bomb exploded in a cafeteria on the Hebrew University's Mt. Scopus campus. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Aug 4, 2002 – Meron junction
Nine people were killed and 50 wounded in a suicide bombing on an Egged bus traveling from Haifa to Safed.
Sep 19, 2002 – Tel Aviv
Six people were killed and 70 wounded when a terrorist detonated a bomb on Dan bus #4 on Allenby Street.
Oct 21, 2002 – Hadera
14 people were killed and 50 wounded when a car bomb detonated next to an Egged bus traveling north of the town on Route 65. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
Oct 27, 2002 – Ariel
Three IDF officers were killed and about 20 people were wounded in a suicide bombing at the Sonol gas station at the entrance to the city. The victims were killed while trying to prevent the terrorist from detonating the bomb. The terrorist was a member of Hamas.
Nov 4, 2002 – Kfar Saba
Two people – a security guard and a teenage boy, both recent immigrants from Argentina – were killed and 70 were wounded in a suicide bombing at a shopping mall. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
Nov 10, 2002 – Metzer
A Palestinian terrorist slipped into the kibbutz and gunned down five people, including two children killed in their beds as they hid under the blankets, and their mother. The Fatah al- Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
Nov 21, 2002 – Jerusalem
11 people were killed and 50 wounded by a suicide bomber on Egged bus #20 in the neighborhood of Kiryat Menahem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Nov 28, 2002 – Mombasa, Kenya
A car bomb crashed into an Israeli-owned resort and detonated as guests were checking in. Three Israelis were among the 13 killed, and 21 Israelis were among the 80 injured. Almost simultaneously, a surface-to-air missile barely missed an El Al plane as it was taking off from the airport. Al-Qaeda is believed to be responsible for the double attack.
Jan 5, 2003 – Tel Aviv
22 people were killed and 120 wounded in a double suicide bombing near the old central bus station. The attack was apparently carried out by two members of the Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, with the help of the Islamic Jihad.
Mar 5, 2003 – Haifa
17 people were killed and 53 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus in the Carmel neighborhood. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Apr 30, 2003 – Tel Aviv
Three people were killed and 60 wounded by a British Muslim suicide bomber, sent by Hamas, at a beachfront pub "Mike's Place".
May 17, 2003 – Hebron
A married couple from Kiryat Arba was killed by a terrorist. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
May 18, 2003 – Jerusalem
Seven people were killed and 20 wounded in a suicide bombing on Egged bus #6 near French Hill. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
May 19, 2003 – Afula
Three people were killed and 70 wounded in a suicide bombing at the entrance to a shopping mall. Islamic Jihad and Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
Jun 11, 2003 – Jerusalem
17 people were killed and over 100 wounded in a suicide bombing on an Egged bus on Jaffa Road in the city center. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Aug 19, 2003 – Jerusalem
23 people were killed and over 130 wounded when a suicide bomber detonated himself on Egged bus #2 in the Shmuel Hanavi neighborhood. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Sep 9, 2003 – Tzrifin
Eight IDF soldiers were killed and 30 people wounded in a suicide bombing at a soldier hitchhiking post outside the Tzrifin army base and Assaf Harofeh Hospital. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
Sep 9, 2003 – Jerusalem
Seven people were killed and over 50 wounded in a suicide bombing at Caf Hillel, in the German Colony neighborhood.
Oct 4, 2003 – Haifa
22 people were killed and 60 wounded in a devastating suicide bombing of the Maxim restaurant. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
Dec 25, 2003 – Geha Junction
Four Israelis were killed and 15 others were injured, when a suicide bomber detonated himself at a bus stop at an intersection of a main highway separarating the Bnei Brak and Petach Tikva. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
Jan 14, 2004 – Erez Crossing, Gaza
A female suicide bomber detonated herself at an inspection point at the entrance to the Erez industrial zone, killing 4 Israeli security personnel and injuring several others. Hamas and Fatah claimed joint responsibility for the attack.
Jan 29, 2004 – Jerusalem
Eleven people were killed and over 40 were wounded when a suicide bomber blew up on a #19 bus on Gaza Road. The bomber was a Palestinian policeman from Bethlehem. Both Hamas and the Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
Feb 22, 2004 – Jerusalem
8 people were killed and over 60 wounded (among the casualties were a number of school pupils) in a suicide bombing on bus #14A near the Liberty Bell Park. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
Feb 26, 2004 – Erez Crossing, Gaza
A soldier was killed and two were wounded when two Palestinian terrorists opened fire. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
Feb 27, 2004 – Lahav
A young couple was killed in a shooting attack on the road on their way to Ashkelon. The PFLP and the Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
Mar 14, 2004 – Ashdod
10 people were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing at Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility.
Mar 19, 2004 – Jerusalem
A Christian Arab was shot to death from a vehicle while jogging in the neighborhood of French Hill. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
Apr 3, 2004 – Avnei Hefetz
A man was shot to death and his 14 year old daughter was wounded in an attack on their home. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Apr 17, 2004 – Erez Crossing, Gaza
A border policeman was killed and three others wounded when a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up. Hamas and the Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
May 2, 2004 – Gush Katif
A mother and her four young daughters were killed, and another civilian and two soldiers were wounded, when two Palestinian terrorists opened fire on a car. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
June 28, 2004 – Sderot
A man and a 4 year old boy were killed, and 7 others were wounded (including the boy’s mother) during a Kassam rocket attack on Sderot. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Jul 11, 2004 – Tel Aviv
A young woman was killed and 33 people were wounded in a bombing at a bus stop. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
Aug 31, 2004 – Beer Sheba
Sixteen people were killed and 100 wounded in two nearly simultaneous suicide bombings aboard two city buses. Hamas in Hebron claimed responsibility.
Sep 22, 2004 – Jerusalem
Two Border Policemen were killed and 17 Israelis wounded in a suicide
bombing carried out by a female terrorist at the French Hill junction in northern Jerusalem. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
Sep 24, 2004 – Gush Katif
A woman was killed in her home during a mortar attack launched by terrorists.
Sep 29, 2004 – Sderot
Two toddlers were killed, while playing in the street, by a Kassam rocket fired from Gaza. Hamas claimed responsibility.
Oct 7, 2004 – Sinai
32 people were killed, 12 of them Israelis, and over 120 were wounded during simultaneous terror bombings carried out at two Sinai holiday resorts.
Nov 1, 2004 – Tel Aviv
Three people were killed and over 30 wounded in a suicide bombing at the Carmel Market in central Tel Aviv. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in Nablus claimed responsibility.
Jan 13, 2005 – Karni Crossing, Gaza
Palestinian terrorists opened fire at Israeli civilians, killing 6 and wounding 5. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility.
Jan 15, 2005 – Sderot
A 17 year old girl was mortally wounded by shrapnel from a Kassem rocket and died several days later. She was struck while protecting her younger brother, who was lightly wounded.
Feb 25, 2005 – Tel Aviv
Five people were killed and 50 wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the Stage Club on the Tel Aviv promenade. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
Jul 12, 2005 – Netanya
Three people were killed and about 90 wounded when a suicide bomber struck at the Hasharon shopping mall. Two other people later succumbed to their wounds. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Jul 14, 2005 – Netiv Ha'asara
A woman was killed by a Kassam rocket fired from the Gaza Strip. Hamas, the Islamic Jihad and Fatah all claimed responsibility.
Jul 23, 2005 – Kissufim Crossing
A married couple was killed in a terrorist attack. The Islamic Jihad and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
Oct 16, 2005 – Gush Etzion Junction, south of Jerusalem
Three people were killed and three were wounded in a Palestinian shooting attack. A teenager was shot and seriously wounded further north. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
Oct 26, 2005 – Hadera
Five people were killed and 55 were wounded, six seriously (one person later died of her wounds) in a suicide bombing at the Hadera open-air market. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Dec 5, 2005 – Netanya
Five people were killed and over 50 were wounded in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Hasharon shopping mall. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Dec 16, 2005 – Hebron hills
One person was killed while driving home and two passengers were wounded in a shooting attack. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
Mar 30, 2006 – Kedumim
A man and his wife, as well as a young passenger, were killed by a suicide bomber who disguised himself as an ultra-Orthodox yeshiva student and detonated his explosive device inside the victims' car.
Apr 17, 2006 – Tel Aviv
Eleven peole were killed and over 60 wounded in a suicide bombing during the Passover holiday at the Rosh Ha'ir restaurant near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Jun 11, 2006 – north of Jerusalem
One Arab Israeli was killed and two other wounded in a shooting attack while driving late at night.
Jun 25, 2006 – north of Jerusalem
A young student was kidnapped and murdered shortly afterwards by Palestinian terrorists.
Jul 27, 2006 – near Kalkilya
The burnt body of an Israeli doctor was found in the trunk of his car. The Fatal al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the murder.

Barry   July 30th, 2009 2:02 am ET

John A -

Trying to change the subject again? We're all still waiting for you to answer all the questions that have been asked of you.

Everyone knows the Jews did not arrive in 1947. They have been on the land for thousands of years. You have never provided any evidence to the contrary. It appears that you are showing the world how stupid you are by clinging to your lies and propaganda in the face of thousands of years of evidence to the contrary.

The Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians put themselves into this position by refusing the land they were offered when Israel was created, opting instead to try to exterminate the Jews. They have tried this over and over and failed every time. Now they must deal with the consequences of their actions.

Hope   July 30th, 2009 3:15 am ET

No Filipe, they are not where they belong. Gaza people are not animals. However when you isolate a society for a long-long period of time, add deprivation of basic human needs..insanity takes over. You WANT them to go crazy for this reason. To point your ugly finger and say, "These people are exactly where they belong!!!" and "No wonder no one wants to let them out to wander freely outside". Know, what goes around comes around...Your time of despair will arrive...its all very basic stuff, ask G.!

miriam   July 30th, 2009 5:01 am ET

John A,

You believe the Hatuel family story to be false?

Just ask Paula Hancocks.
It could have been her.
She was shot at at the same site, but was able to drive on.

University rector   July 30th, 2009 5:42 am ET

Hope

where were you when egypt caged the gaza population in befeore 1967? did you complain? now you will tell you it does not concern you because you were not alive/too young

that of course makes it right

where were you when jordan massacred thousands of palestinians? did you complain?
now you will tell you it does not concern you because you were not alive/too young

that of course makes it right

didyoucall for a palestinian state when gaza was occupied by egypt and the west bank by jordan? didyou complain?

now you will tell you it does not concern you because you were not alive/too young

that of course makes it right

Barry   July 30th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

Hopeless -

The Gazans are indeed where they belong. They know precisely what is required of them. They choose the path of kidnapping, violence, Islamic terrorism, and brutal honor killing instead. They have no one to blame for their current situation but themselves and people like you who encourage their antisocial and homicidal behavior.

Filipe   July 30th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

Hope,

Yes, they are where they belong. Egypt created the sealed off area of Gaza and put the people there. Maybe you should ask the Egyptians why. Ask them why they don't allow them to enter Egypt freely. Ask the Egyptians why they keep the border sealed off to normal traffic of goods and people. Israel keeps the crossings closed because those inside are not Israelis, they don't want them wandering freely inside Israel. It's pretty simple stuff. US Immigration does the same thing in the US don't they?? Wow-amazing how that works !!

Filipe   July 30th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

John A and his "illegal occupation" whining is really joke!!

There is no "occupation" legal or illegal. The Israeli presence and authority over the West Bank is as it was agreed to between Israel and Jordan in the the peace accord. The West Bank was under control of Jordan prior to 1967 and was taken by Israel as a result of the 1967 war, prior to that it was British Mandate Palestine, prior to that it was territory belonging to the Ottoman Empire. The peace accord with Jordan settled that. Jordan relinquished it's claim to Israel and recognized border between Jordan and Israel was established. There by giving the land to Israel.There never was and never has been a free and sovereign state of Palestine--EVER!

End Of Story !!

Go look it up in your book of international law !!

Hope   July 30th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

miraim/Miriam?

The Hatuel family story is unfortunate and no children/women aught to be shot at point blank.

Now, why dig dirt from 2004? Can't you see it is all a vicious circle, won't disappear anytime time soon..There seem to be a justifiable motive on each side every time a killing spree takes place. Palestinian agricultural land/homes/businesses gets confiscated, water diverted for Jewish settlements pools & parks..So they react ( who wouldn't). Sderot gets hit by tiny little funny looking rockets, hardly anyone gets hurt, 340 Palestinian children receive a death sentence. So, what is your point?
As the words of a famous letter "G" echo's, It’s not that complicated. Really? Its all very basic stuff. Am I wrong?

John A   July 30th, 2009 4:36 pm ET

So when unfavourable news surfaces about Israel, Dan Rector, Filipe and Miriam will ask for proof. When web links from international and respectable sources are given, Dan and co will say its not true and that respectable organisations like the red cross and the bbc support Hamas.

At the same time Rector, Filipe and Miriam always fail to provide proof to back up their claims. The web links they refer to are from extreme Zionist sites. Just face it Rector, you can write what you want but you cant find a reliable web link which can support you.

But Hope you are right to note that Israel’s activities in the holy land are not really so holy:

http://www.tabletmag.com/life-and-religion/10955/great-exxxpectations/

Makes you wonder what happens to the hundreds of Palestinian boys who have been locked up without charge and without a lawyer. Israel’s shame seems to have no limits.

Barry   July 30th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

John A -

I've seen proof from University Rector, Filipe, and Miriam. I guess you are just telling more lies. Any site that disproves your lies need not be an extreme Zionist site. They also ask you direct questions that you don't or can't respond to. Why is that? Are you afraid your cause is too weak and that your continuing lies will be disproved yet again? You are a cowardly terrorist supporter.

Barry   July 30th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

At least there is some good news:

Nigerian army says it captured leader of militant Islamist sect

CNN International – Christian Purefoy – ‎1 hour ago‎

LAGOS, Nigeria (CNN) - The Nigerian military on Thursday captured the leader of a fundamentalist Islamist sect whose members have been fighting government security forces in the north, a spokesman said.

Barry   July 30th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

More Muslim Violence:

Police beat mourners in new wave of unrest in Iran
By NASSER KARIMI (AP) –

TEHRAN, Iran — Iranian police fired tear gas and beat protesters to disperse thousands chanting "Neda lives!" Thursday at a memorial for victims of post-election violence held at the gravesite of the woman whose death made her an icon of the pro-reform movement, witnesses said.

The new wave of unrest showed the opposition's continuing ability to harness anger over the crackdown, and more protests could erupt around the inauguration next week of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose government has been virtually paralyzed by the crisis.

Thursday's memorial gathering marked the end of the traditional 40-day mourning period for Neda Agha Soltan, a 27-year-old music student who was shot to death June 20. Her dying moments were filmed and circulated widely on the Internet, making her name a rallying cry for the opposition.

"Neda is alive! Ahmadinejad is dead!" chanted protesters, many holding up single red roses tied with green ribbons, the signature color of the opposition.

Plainclothes forces dispersed the crowd with tear gas and batons — and with chants of "Death to those who are against the supreme leader," according to witnesses and state television.

The witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisal. The government has banned media from covering some events, including Thursday's memorial.

Hope   July 30th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

http://www.tabletmag.com/life-and-religion/10955/great-exxxpectations/

May the lord have mercy...Is that so?? I always wondered why Israel's authority keeps Palestinian juveniles locked up indefinitely...Abu Ghraib Israeli style! The question remains, where would Jesus space-craft land?...maybe in Gaza since all of the human sufferings are currently their.

Filipe   July 30th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

John A,

Well-I bet you booked the next flight out didn't you !!! Going for an Extended Stay!!!!

And by the way--I always post links to back up what I say--sorry they don't meet with your criteria for approval.

But it appears you approve of the one you included in your post.

Be careful- Be safe !!! BWAAAAA!!!!!

Are you taking CS with you ???

Hope   July 31st, 2009 2:48 am ET

Filipe–from July 24th, 2009 1848 GMT

–"If you’re so concerned about foreign immigrants you should voice your hatred, frustrations and concern at your own government. After all, the entire population of you country has ABSOLUTELYNO TIES to the land in North America."

Absolutely, (you scored!). This HUGE country is build on 4 centuries of immigration, arriving from all 4 corners of the world of ALL RELIGIONS. Immigrants each of unique stories, all bearing witness to courage and destination that enabled men women and children to leave their homes and seek new opportunities in an unknown land called America. Next..

–"Worry about your own business. What business is it of yours anyway, who the Israeli decide to grant permission to enter Israel??"

Well there is a problem there. Palestinians were already in a known land Palestine for centuries. Built towns cities schools neighborhoods, mosques, churches etc... I believe history shows, hell broke lose only when your foreign import of human cargo arrived to the shores of Palestine. Technically Palestinians don't need permission from anyone. Next..

–"You live in the US and think you control the friggin’ world....."

O Yes We Can!!..We are THE SUPERPOWER. Don't you ever forget that, you bad boy!..Be nice to us Filipe, otherwise Uncle Sam may decide to reduce your US welfare check..Am I wrong?

John A   July 31st, 2009 8:41 am ET

Barry, we all know that Dan Rector uses many blog names to give the impression others agree with him and perhaps you are also Dan Rector in disguise. What extra ordinary fake group of people you are. You go on to say you have seen proof from Dan & co, but again you fail to demonstrate any of your radical Zionist propaganda. Filipe apologises for not being able to find web links which are internationally recognised and reliable. Obviously his apology was sarcastic as he has not enough humility to admit that his sources of information come from the brain washing centre of Zionist HQ. Your proofs are therefore no more reliable than Castros Cuba and equal to the Iranian regime you pretend to be better than. Just tell the truth and find international links that agree with you. Oh yeh you cant do that, which is why you think everyone supports Hamas. The international press all support Hamas because they know you are dishonest and fabricate disgusting propaganda to propagate hatred in the Middle East.

Filipe   July 31st, 2009 10:20 am ET

Hope,

I'm real sorry for your misconception of reality. No one gave any of the immigrants from the four corners of the world permission descend upon North America, eradicate it's native population and steal their land.

You seem to think this acceptable just because you are America??? Do you think this is acceptable because your country is "huge"??? Do you think this acceptable because the immigrants came for "the 4 corners of the world"?? Get a grip !!!! You are the worst of the worst !!! And have no authority to preach to others of the right and wrongs of immigration policy!

And you said----"Palestinians were already in a known land Palestine for centuries." Bwaaaaaa!!!!!

"Palestine"--a Roman word created By Emperor Hadrian to rename the land of Judea !! The word "Palestinians" didn't even come into use until the middle of the 20th century until Yasser Arafat, an Egyptian born Arab, popularized the term in an effort to obtain a national identity.

The Israelites had already lived there for 2 millenia when this name change took place. You have even posted links to sites which verify this!!! Now you want to dispute it !!

You said–"Palestinians were already in a known land Palestine for centuries. Built towns cities schools neighborhoods, mosques, churches etc…" !!!! You're somewhat correct!!!!!--But the part you left out is the part that talks about the fact that nearly all of the cities, towns schools, neighbor hoods, mosques, etc. Were built on top of previous Israelite construction.

But once again, your ignorance is showing through-- everyone knows that Islam was was invented in the 7th Century, so there were no such things as Mosques when the Jews originally inhabited the land!!!! So how is it that the Jews came and built on top of the Mosques?? BWaaaaaa!!!!

Do you mean like the Al Aqsa Mosque built on top of the Temple Mount??? Is that what you mean???? Wow you are confused!!

You are simply lame when it comes understanding accepted historical facts.

And you are wrong again !!!!

My government gets -ZERO--money, donations, aid, welfare or assistance from the US--ZERO-NADA !!!! Never has-ever !!!!

So you can go play the "I'm the USA, I own you card" somewhere else! It's time you woke and realized you don't own anybody!! There's a large portion of people around the world that has started to just spit in your face because of the arrogance you just demonstrated above ! And rightly so!

miriam   July 31st, 2009 3:07 pm ET

Hope,

Why is the past irrelevent when it refers to the Jews but worth believing when it refers to anyone else?

John A   July 31st, 2009 3:33 pm ET

Filipe writes: The word “Palestinians” didn’t even come into use until the middle of the 20th century until Yasser Arafat, an Egyptian born Arab, popularized the term in an effort to obtain a national identity.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Origin_of_Name

The word "Palestine" derived from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Hebrew Bible, and later translated to English as "Philistine". "Plesheth" referred to the ancient Philistine invasion and conquest of the land's southern coast strip located to the west of the ancient Kingdom of Judah. The Philistines were not Arabs nor Semites, as they were closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They were a seafaring people who lived in cities along the coast. During the Late Bronze Age, Philistia was a confederation of five city states: Gaza, Ashkelon and Ashdod on the coast, and Ekron and Gath inland.[3] The exact ethnic affiliation of the Philistines, however, is not clear. The Philistine names preserved on inscriptions appear to "contradict the notion that they were Greek-speakers."[4] Some scholars argue however that they were a non-Semitic group, with roots in Southern Greece dating back to the period of early Mycenaean civilization.[5] A hypothetical link to the Anatolian people, based upon mere phonological similitude to the Palaic language, seems tenuous but not impossible.

In 135 AD, after suppressing the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against the Romans since the Great Revolt, Emperor Hadrian revoked the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" – originally derived from the Hebrew "Judah" – and renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia Syria Palaestina", given as means of punishment to the rebel Jews, was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized "Palestine" is derived.

The Christian Crusaders later adopted the word Palestine as well. After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official name. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine.

The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is the Arab pronunciation of the original Roman name "Palaestina". Although the resembling name pronunciation, there is no connection between the ancient Philistines and the Palestinian people who live in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank today.

Some other terms that have been used to refer to all or part of this land include Canaan, Greater Israel, Greater Syria, the Holy Land, Iudaea Province, Judea,[6] Israel, "Israel HaShlema", Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael or Ha'aretz), Levant, Retenu (Ancient Egyptian), Southern Syria, and Syria Palestina.

Barry   July 31st, 2009 5:09 pm ET

John A -

I can't speak for University Rector or anyone else on this blog. When you know the truth and have the evidence, there is no need to resort to such tactics of using multiple screen names. Liars like this are desperate because they know they are losing the debate and want to invent some moral support where none exists.

I have repeatedly seen University Rector, Miriam, and Filipe provide compelling evidence to support their facts. I have seen very little in the way of evidence from you. The weak evidence you do allude to often disproves your points. You really should read your so-called evidence before posting a link.

I posted evidence directly from Hamas confessing to using human shields. Is that not compelling enough for you? Do you think it is all a lie, or do you only believe stories and fairytales that support your one-sided and ignorant view that Israel is the aggressor here? Open your mind to the truth!

I know Israel wants peace. The Palestinians have had chances at peace for more than 60 years. They have repeatedly chosen violence, death, terrorism, and jihad instead. Every time they incite a war they get spanked and then moan and cry about how bad the Israelis are for defending themselves.

The Palestinians can leave and find a place where they can live in violence and anarchy far away from the civilized world. Or, they can choose to live peacefully where they are, on Israel's land. Israel will have them, if they can learn to behave as humans. They will be treated better by the Israelis than by all their "brothers" in neighboring Muslim regimes.

Barry   July 31st, 2009 5:29 pm ET

Hope -

As an American I find your comments insulting. America doesn't have the right to use it's superpowers to bully or threaten other nations. America was founded on the dubious policy of manifest destiny. We took the land from the native inhabitants. It was not an auspicious start for a nation that now stands for equality, truth, and justice.

America needs to continue to use it's power to encourage other nations to provide basic human rights and freedoms. We need to protect our allies and above all, protect our own people. If we are attacked, we need to fight to preserve our way of life. Freedom is not free; it is purchased with blood.

We need to avoid war and always try diplomacy first, realizing that we can't allow rogue nations and terrorist groups to acquire weapons of mass destruction. We need to understand there are nations and religions whose intent is to destroy the US and her allies. They can not stand equality, truth, justice, education, and freedom. They fear that they would lose control of their people if the people really knew the truth and had the freedom to choose a more enlightened path.

Filipe   July 31st, 2009 6:04 pm ET

John A,

Just exactly what proof is it you are looking for that you haven't already seen???

Be specific and I could probably resolve your confusion!

But, rest assured I've not apologized for any source I've referenced. If they don't meet your approved source list-that's your issue–not mine!

I'm so sorry that you don't approve !!!!!!!

And yea–You said-–"The international press all support Hamas"

What world do you live in ???

Is this true CNN-you guys are Hamas supporters ???

M Ariely   August 1st, 2009 4:06 pm ET

World media- including CNN- do you have the morality courage to publish and debate the:

Killing Jews in Arab countries??

The Arab long hystorical presesecution of jews is a key factor tyo understand the Arab conflict with Israel
???????????????????????????????????????

1834 Morocco and 2008 Yemen
1:2008
Raida, Yemen – Police: Jew Was Killed By Muslim Because He Was Jewish
Published on: December 12th, 2008
Raida, Yemen – Thirty Two old Mousa Yaish al-Nahari, a father of eight, who was reportedly shot by Abdul-Aziz Yahya al-Abdi, a former air force pilot
witnesses say the gunman approached al-Nahari and told him
"Jew, accept Islam's message"
and then shot him five times with an AK-47 assault rifle.
2: 1834
Suleika Hatuel was 17 years old when she was beheaded
A Muslim friend claimed that she had succeeded in converting her. When Sol denied the claim, she was accused of renouncing Islam and was condemned to death.. It happened in 1834. She was from Tangier and was executed in Fez.
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CNN blog –publish the Arab persecutions against Jews in Arab countries , Europe, India,USA and open frequently public debates on the subject

Filipe   August 1st, 2009 4:13 pm ET

John A,

Ok--show us where in any of your post is there a statement referring to "Palestinians" !!!!-- Yea, right -ZERO-Nowhere !!!!

I've said many times that it was the Roman Emperor Hadrian who changed the name of the land from Judea to Palestine. This is correct.

But he didn't change the name of the inhabitants from Judeans to Palestinians !!!!

What a fool!! You really take great pride in lame attempts to twist words and subjects don't you.

"The first widespread use of "Palestinian" as an endonym to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the local Arabic-speaking population of Palestine began prior to the outbreak of World War I"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

I stand by my statement !!

John A   August 2nd, 2009 8:42 am ET

Filipe you said Palestine did not exist until Arafat create the name Palestine. Now you have been comprehensively proven wrong yet again, no big surprise. So you go back to your nonsense about Israel existing for three millennia. Again you are comprehensively wrong. Three millennia ago there may have been Judea, which existed for less than 500 years and was before Christ (i.e. Judea was a dust ball with no significant development beyond what was established by the people of Canaan).
Before Judea the region was ruled by the people of Canaan. After Judea there were the Romans, Moors, Crusaders and Ottomans. As the Italian Romans held sovereignty for far longer than the Judeans, with Israeli logic we could give the land to Italians. But obviously Israeli logic is a sad twist of history.
So Filipe answer a simple question honestly (big challenge for you). As the Jews did not found Jerusalem (we know that was the people of Canaan) and the Jewish sovereignty was before Christ and for less time than any other sovereign group (Romans, Ottomans etc) Why do Jews have a historical claim to this land, which is superior to all other groups?
The Jews have held the region for the shortest period of all occupiers. They were not the first to populate in the region. They have never made a majority of the population at any time in history. The sovereignty of this land has been changed more times than your underwear, so what exactly makes it Jewish? Do we need to go back to religious mumbo jumbo or voodoo to explain this?

miriam   August 2nd, 2009 2:20 pm ET

John A,

You've finally regurgitated facts that some of us have been telling you for months!

As Felipe says, there is no mention of a Palestinian people in your wikipedia reproduction.

Until 1948, all the inhabitants of the region, including the Jews, were called Palestinian and the Arabs identified themselves as Arabs belonging to various, often feuding, families and tribes.

Barry   August 2nd, 2009 3:34 pm ET

John A -

Filipe and Miriam are correct about the Palestinians and about the history of Israel. Arafat knew the truth that there were no Palestinian people. He invented them as tools to harass and kill the Jews. Read the following article:

Palestinian people do not exist:
Joseph Farah quotes Arafat, others acknowledging their fraud
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, July 11, 2002 | Joseph Farah

Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:24:46 AM by JohnHuang2

A provocative headline? It's more than that. It's the truth.

Truth does not change. Truth is truth. If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today.

And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine.

You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making the bold political statement: "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people."

The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir's "racism." They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception.

What they don't like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth – that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity.

So, despite the fact that conventional wisdom has now proclaimed that there is such a thing as the Palestinian people, I'm going to raise those uncomfortable quotations made by Arafat and his henchmen when their public-relations guard was down.

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

That's pretty clear, isn't it? It's even more specific than Golda Meir's statement. It reaffirms what I have written on this subject. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.

In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here's what he said: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

No matter how many people convince themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves.

I've said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs.

Why now has it become such a critical priority?

The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.

Gold Meir was right. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.

Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It's not too late to say no to terrorism. It's not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.

miriam   August 2nd, 2009 4:00 pm ET

John A,

Pick and choose the bits of history that fit your ideology and twist, change and deny the bits that don't.

Very convincing!!

Filipe   August 2nd, 2009 5:34 pm ET

John A,

Sorry John--you're confused again. You lack of comprehension never ceases to amaze !!!

I said -–"The word “Palestinians” didn’t even come into use until the middle of the 20th century until Yasser Arafat, an Egyptian born Arab, popularized the term in an effort to obtain a national identity."

I'm really nor sure how "dumb it down" into a more simplistic statement for you.

Lets' try this-– The people who call themselves " Palestinians", identify themselves by a term invented in the 20th century which was made popular an Egyptian born Arab named Yasser Arafat !

Is this more clear for you to understand ???

You asked -- "Why do Jews have a historical claim to this land, which is superior to all other groups?"

Just as you pointed out in your above post-- The Jews were there, living in the land, long before any other group of people which still survive on this planet today!!--and they still live there today!! They have never left, they have lived there continuously since the time they first arrived. No one else has been there for this length of time.

What moron--give the land to the Italians !!!!! BWAAAAA!!!!!! I don't hear them speaking up saying they want it !!!! Besides, they came long after the Israelites anyhow--took the land by force!!!!!

It just aggravates you to no end that no one else holds rightful claim to the land.

How does if feel to wake up everyday as a pi$$ed off, aggravated and angry old man ??? Does it work well for you ??

John A   August 2nd, 2009 7:16 pm ET

Earlier I presented historical facts about the name Palestine. Then Miriam, Barry and Filipe all go into denial and act is if the history does not exist. What as sad bunch.

Breaking news on more sad Israeli double dealings:
Palestinians evicted in Jerusalem
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8180413.stm

Today more Israelis killing civilians:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8180655.stm

Can any of Israel’s religious freaks live in peace?

And then there is always Israel’s constantly corrupt mafia styled governments:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8180451.stm

Israel pretends to be a western style country, but the truth is Israel is a corrupt, violent, immoral and illegitimate regime.

G.   August 3rd, 2009 2:27 am ET

In the old days, the term "Palestinian" was generic. I guess everyone needs an identity though so now some use the term just to mean themselves. Who cares. Basically we have nice places and extremists places and places who believe nothing at all. So we fear each other and try to win in some way. Does anyone else feel that it is a little odd. We are all just people. Nuke subs bump each other under the ocean, accidentially. That is a little scary to me. I'd hate to see the world mess up on a mistake. It has a few times I think, especially during the Cold War.

miriam   August 3rd, 2009 9:19 am ET

John A,

Did the BBC provide the history to the evictions?
Of course not, just like CNN.

"Israelis killing civilians"?

Where do get the information that the gunman was Israeli?
Where do you get the information that the gunman was religious, Jewish Christian or Muslim?

Have you heard about the Arabs who are in awe of Israel for even investigating accusations of corruption?
Are you oblivious to the fact that the Israeli media are left wing and will try their hardest to dig up the dirt in any official whose politics they do not agree with?

As in every country, there is corruption, but culprits are investigated thoroughly and brought to justice.

As in every country there is violence, but again, those involved are investigated and brought to justice.

What is immoral? That gays are permitted to express their sexual inclinations or that Israel does not ban homosexual freedom of expression like most countries in the region and many others in the world?

Israel is not ruled by a regime. There is a democratically elected, accountable government that upholds her own law and international law.

Filipe   August 3rd, 2009 10:20 am ET

John A,

No one denied the origin of the name "Palestine" !!!

Show us where anyone said that !!!!

It's really pathetic that you play so dumb as to not know the difference between the word "Palestine" and Palestinian". !!!

But that's just your nature--truly pathetic !!

Mafia style government !!!! That's a real hoot!!!! You hardly have a leg to stand on considering the vast numbers of US state and Federal politicians occupying jail cells-– these are ones who've actually been convicted-–not simply accused !!!!!

Go ahead-speak some more !!!

Filipe   August 3rd, 2009 11:08 am ET

Pretty amazing CNN-– Fatah Congerss to hold it's first congress meeting in 20 years tomorrow and you guys haven't mentioned a single word about it !!!!!

The single most important meeting of the Palestinian government in 20years !!!! The conference plans to adopt a re-write of Fatah's 1989 convention.-–

Is CNN simply asleep at the switch, or what ???

Or is it nothing more that the fact that there isn't anything you can bash Israel around for on this story-- therefore it's not newsworthy??

Or, is it because the newsworthiness of this story surrounds the in-fighting between Hamas and Fatah???

Is it because any news on this subject is going to show Hamas in a bad light for refusing to allow 400 Fatah Congressmen in Gaza from travelling to the West Bank??

And is it because Israel has granted permission for these Congressmens to travel from Gaza to the West Bank-–and that Israel has also granted permission for the Fatah Congressmen in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon to attend the Congress??

We need not look too far to see where your biases lie !

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/08/20098372435932772.html

Filipe   August 3rd, 2009 11:21 am ET

John A,

You said-– "Today more Israelis killing civilians:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8180655.stm

Can any of Israel’s religious freaks live in peace?

************************************

So who is it exactly that killed these civilians??? The article doesn't say who??? Do you know something the rest of us don't??

Murders happen everywhere--– In fact YTD in the city of Chicago alone--only Chicago -– 224 Homicides!!!!!

That's over 1 per day!!!!!

Can any of the religious freaks in the US live in peace?

What a hoot !!!!

You are so lame with you attempts to blame everything on religion. It just shows your true nature of bigotry and hate for the Israelis-nothing more !!!

John A   August 3rd, 2009 8:17 pm ET

Filipe writes murder happens everywhere. But according to his logic it does not happen in Israel. Any Palestinian who kills a Jew must be a terrorist and not a murderer. Any Jew who kills a Palestinian must be because the Arab used a human shield. Murder does happen everywhere be we still wait for the Zionists to admit they murderd over 1300 Palestinians last December. Even though all the worlds independent media has reported this, they still pretend it did not happen.

Filipe   August 3rd, 2009 9:22 pm ET

John A,

Yes, murders happen everywhere, even in Israel!

Don't profess to know my logic when you don't. Speak for yourself.

But please-explain to us exactly who it was behind the particular murder you posted above and were so quick to label " Israeli religious freak" !

Right- just one more example of you blowing off at the mouth without knowing the facts !!!!

I should hardly be surprised !!!

You can't even distinguish the difference between the word Palestine and the word Palestinian after repeated definitions have been given.

So save yourself the trouble and stick to explaining to those on the blog your logic and your beliefs. No one is interested in your lame, half a$$ed interpretations of what you think others believe. You constantly get it wrong !!!

Filipe   August 3rd, 2009 9:46 pm ET

John A,

What's the matter-can't answer the questions about the accusations you make ??

Next Subject !!!!!

Should I be surprised !!!!!!!

Barry   August 3rd, 2009 10:54 pm ET

John A -

Where did Filipe write any of the things you have attributed to him? Where did he say murders don't happen in Israel or that any Palestinian who kills a Jew must be a terrorist?

I don't know anybody who is waiting for anyone to admit they killed 1300 Palestinians last December. The Palestinian WAR CRIMINALS (as reported by Amnesty International) started another conflict, they got their butts kicked as usual. Bottom line: if you constantly attack a militarily and morally superior power, you shouldn't be surprised when they eventually get fed up and spank you. If you don't learn this lesson from history, you will be condemned to repeat it. The Palestinians have shown a remarkable ability to avoid learning.

G.   August 4th, 2009 12:11 pm ET

I guess these cute stories about camel cholates are fun. In the end, as a female person, to me it is about something more. I grew up in the deep south, USA. I've always found guys with that female hang-up kinda funny. Of course none tried to shoot me down or arrest me for life. If they told me that I had to wear a burka, I'd let them first.

I don't understand the ME. I love the history. I saw the Irian head person, a cleric, kiss the President and thought I'd throw-up. Good job, many have been killed, tortured in prison, or will be. The beatings are a favor. Many are female. Females are the softer people. Everyone knows it. We are also the stronger people. Everyone knows it. So, I live in a good place and those in not good places will have to work to figure it out. It's not our problem. Maybe it was in the past. Given the oil wealth and the history, I find it odd that people in the ME can't find jobs and be happy in the ME – which includes Israel. Israel is trying to grow and adapt though. Here, in the U.S., we need jobs and health care. With this recession, that is my main concern. The ME needs to figure out their own game plan for treating all people, including females, humanely. I don't know about Islamic anything. Never been one, but not overly impressed so far.

It is also a given, that as the population grows, and we conquer diseases and hunger, the population will shoot upwards. We have to adapt or figure out how to lessen the population in another way. Being sensitive to everything and logical is fine balancing line. It's not easy at all. It is easier to get free electricity from Europe and stomp and snort and send missiles.


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