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Inside the Middle East
October 15, 2009
Posted: 448 GMT

By Paula Hancocks
CNN

(CNN) - Salwa Salah was 16 years old when she was arrested by Israeli forces and jailed for seven months.

Israeli court minutes said Salwa Salah, 16, had been involved in 'planning military operations'
Israeli court minutes said Salwa Salah, 16, had been involved in 'planning military operations'

To this day she says she does not know her crime and is struggling to get her life back on track.

She was released shortly before her final school exams but was unable to catch up and now has to re-sit before she can go to university.

Salah was held under administrative detention – detention without charge or trial. It is legal under international law which permits its use only in exceptional cases to protect the security of a state.

But human rights groups say Israel abuses this right. Read full article

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miriam   October 15th, 2009 7:43 am ET

It is very rare for an operative in a terrorist organization to admit to their activities so it is not a surprize that the individuals in this report will claim their innocence. The fact that these were students does not negate their involvement and is in fact proof that terrorism is not to be blamed on poverty and lack of education.

Administrative detention is not illegal under international law and is practised by many democracies, not to mention non-democracies.

Israel is far beyond the rest of the world in the war on terror and other countries in the world are gradually finding themselves having to follow along and realizing the necessity to up-date international conventions and protocols to fit into the realities of the 21st century.
Security methods that brought on accusations against Israel only a few years ago are now the norm all over the world with only supporters of terrorism challenging their legitimacy.

The international war on terror does not just involve a military and security component, but requires a revision of the international law that is being abused by the terrorists even more effectively than their weapons.

John A   October 15th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

Miriam, would you passionately support imprisonment without charge if you were behind bars under such circumstances?

With your reasoning, Hitler could have claimed the Jews were terrorists. He could have claimed the Jews needed to be held in concentration camps to protect German sociaty. Actually that is exactly what he claimed!!! In todays world it seems Hitler's holocaust could be legitimized with the magic phrase, "terrorists"

This is just another case of anti terror-fraud. It is a policy which allows huge opportunities for injustice, which in turn provokes anti establishmentarians within the groups who are its victims. It certainly does not promote or encourage peace.

The anti terror fever whipped up by George Bush and supported by Israel has led to:

A war in Iraq
A war in Afghanistan
Western government support for Israel, against the will of western societies
Imprisonment without trail
The continued Illegal occupation of Palestine
Guantanamo Bay
A search for non existent weapons of mass destruction.

All these events have been accompanied with crimes against humanity. George Bush, Dick Cheney and the Israeli regime should be introduced to the electric chair for their crimes. Why is it that German Nazi criminals were executed in Nuremburg? It was supposed to prevent criminal Governments racking havoc on the world. The west needs to examines its own actions and issue equal justice to its own morally bankrupt politicians.

edward   October 15th, 2009 8:24 pm ET

the international community has been nonchalount at best in condeming israelie indescriment killings in gaza ane every place possible for the I.O.F. to effect their force without reprisal, the real solder and cryterrior for killing action is based on orders to be obeyed by an authority of credibility in moral attributes, the jewish/hebrew superiority in the region is based on american support both tangeable and political ,,the jews around the world represent a country within every land in which they have infested, the biggest threat to world peace is from within america ,that being the hasidic jews being all powerful in influence over politics in america, leiberman a pointed example,he is voting on laws that effect americans ,but his central devotion is israel,

miriam   October 16th, 2009 9:33 am ET

John A,

This is not "imprisonment without charge".
That's what the Palestinians do.

Each person in administrative detention has a charge, has a lawyer and goes before a judge. The lawyers also have the right to appeal to the High Court.

No such chance for Gilad Shalit.

The Nazis had a stated objective and policy, domination of a judenrein europe. The Jews committed no crime other than being Jewish. Similarly, the Arabs/Muslims want domination over as much of the world as possible with at best, no Jews and at worst, non-Muslims with dhimmi status.

earle,florida   October 16th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

The cell next door is so quiet ,and yet so far away. I know your name Salwa Salah it was whispered to me by the four walls that immure incubus spirits of the past incarcerated. It's been awhile since I've had a chance to talk to you with all the things going on,...having caused me to shut-down. The isolation was creating much ill contempt at and about some kind of dregded down drama with utterly no recourse for internal detente. My conscious,and I,...often have this dialogue ceremoniously during quiet times of despair brought upon by past innocent transgressions undiscernibly tethered to my jaded psyche that refuses to comfort my forsaken soul. So, I ask you,....could death conquer the good,and bad of the present past? Once again the rebellious sublimity within slaps me inside-outside to the reality of humanities frailities, beckoning me to adjoin,and oblige the symphony that plays continuously in my slumbering surrealistic mind. What's happening to me? I beg you to answer my query as I gaze into a faceless mirage of my life masquerading insignificantly as a dillusional multi-dimensional deja'vu voice echoing off the walls as I silently speak. Is my conscious me ,or a collage of parallel persona's encapsulated in the possesive centrifuge of deism co-existence with mankind? Why,is innocence orchestrated as a scourge on womankind. I pray for your love,.."Allah"! I'm glad we've had this talk,...now it's time to part,... til we meet again in dreamtime,and you walk side-by-side with me in life's journey for justice.

carl   October 17th, 2009 6:08 pm ET

john A – tell me please, how many german were killed by the jews pre-WW2? how many jews were part of a goups that called out "germany has no right to exist!!" ?
for what purpose whould the israeli army will arrest a young girl, putting so much money over her arrest, puting her in jail, feeding her and so on?
have you considered the option that she just not telling us the all truth?

vincent b.   October 17th, 2009 6:24 pm ET

according to the name of this article I expected to read about not all but some that were arrested by Israel.
but what do I read? i'll tell you-
I read about a young "innocent" woman who was arrested after her "innocent" brother was arrested for the second time, forgot to mention the third "innocent" brother who was arrested... I don't know about you but we have a name for this kind of pepole.
all I see here is one family of terr___.

Filipe   October 17th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

John A,

Obviously you've failed to read the details of this article. Those jailed are in fact charged.

It's the US that fails to charge those that are imprisoned.

It must be awful to go through life being so confused.

Solomon   October 18th, 2009 4:22 am ET

Will Israel's decades-long impunity from international law finally come to an end?

will the US accept the fact that Israel is in breach of International law?

will the Goldstone report be the begining of the end of Israeli gagster mentality?
will we see a repeat of the south african situation?

Questions the International cummunity should answer.

the world must stop this Gangster and terrorist state of Israel from commiting crimes and Genocide against the Palestinian people.

Filipe   October 18th, 2009 12:06 pm ET

Impunity from international law, gangster mentality, South African situation, genocide blah, blah, blah, ...... you must speaking of Sudan, Somalia, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, N. Korea, .....!!!!!

It's funny how all the nutcases seem to blame the world's problems on such a small country.

Maybe a better remedy would be for the radical terrorist entities to be brought to justice...... Hmmm!!!! That would work!! But it wouldn't suit the agenda of the radical terrorist supporters-never mind!

miriam   October 18th, 2009 12:47 pm ET

Solomon,

Whose international law are you refering to?

The international law defined by state sponsors of terror, states who massacre minorities within their population, states who deny basic human rights and womens rights, states who deny democracy and freedom of speech, states where the rulers live in luxury while most of the population live in squalor, states whose government run media incites hatred and violence.

John A   October 18th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

Filipe writes: Maybe a better remedy would be for the radical terrorist entities to be brought to justice…
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But Israel is the radical terrorist and that why we want Israel to receive a fair trail in the International Criminal Court.

It is Israel (with Americas support) who tries to avoid a fair trail in the International Criminal Court, because Israel knows fully that it is guilty of war crimes.

Solomon   October 18th, 2009 7:38 pm ET

miriam ask.

Whose international law are you refering to?

how can i explain it to you if you do not respect international law and you do not believe that there is international law when it concerns Israel?

thank god that Goldstone is not an Arab a Russian a chinese or an African.

thank god that he is a Jew .

Solomon   October 18th, 2009 7:50 pm ET

The goldstone Report contains an analysis of 36 specific incidents in Gaza as well as a number on the West Bank and in Israel.

In Chapter XI of the Report, for example we detail a number of specific incidents in which Israeli forces launched direct attacks against civilians with lethal consequences. These were, with only one exception, where the facts establish that there was no military objective or advantage that could justify the attacks.

You will find details of the other 35 incidents in the Report. Some of them relate to the use by the Israel Defense Forces of human shields in violation of an earlier ruling by the Israel Supreme Court outlawing such conduct.

The Mission decided that in order to understand the effect of the Israeli military operations on the infrastructure and economy of Gaza, and especially its food supplies, it was necessary to have regard to the effects of the blockade that Israel has imposed on the Gaza Strip for some years and has been tightened since Hamas became the controlling authority of Gaza.

The Mission found that the attack on the only remaining flour producing factory, the destruction of a large part of the Gaza egg production, the bulldozing of huge tracts of agricultural land, and the bombing of some two hundred industrial facilities, could not on any basis be justified on military grounds. Those attacks had nothing whatever to do with the firing of rockets and mortars at Israel.

The Mission looked closely and sets out in the Report statements made by Israeli political and military leaders in which they stated in clear terms that they would hit at the “Hamas infrastructure”.

Neomi   October 18th, 2009 7:50 pm ET

John A- Israel is radical?! when was the last time you heard that the russian army send sms messeages to the pepole? how many trucks of humanitarian support did the turkes gave the albanian civilians they killed? how many pepole were vanished because they say "bad things" about the communist regime in China? should i continue?!
maybe one more-
how many innocent pepole were murdered by palestinian "innocent" militants in the last 10 year? (oh no much more...)
don't try to blame Israel who went to a deffensive act aginst the Hammas that fired "innocent" rockets against Israel for 7(!!!) years with no response from the "brutal" Israelies.

university rector   October 18th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

John

the only terror defender on this blog is you

nobody, but N O B O D Y

takes you serious

Filipe   October 18th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

John A,

Boo friggin' hoo!!!

Have you nothing better to cry about ??

You simply have no clue do you ????

The ICC isn't going to put Israel on trial !!! Nor are they going to put Hamas or Fatah on trial.

You're simply an ignorant fool when it comes to your baseless accusations and senseless gibberish.

The ICC will put "people" on trial !!! Specific "PEOPLE" --when and if they can determine a reason based on facts !!!!!

Your constant whining about putting a COUNTRY on trial just goes to show the rest of us how ignorant, bigoted and pathetic you really are.--Attempting to blame an entire country and it's population fro infractions made by individuals! What a moron!!

Maybe the ICC should put the USA on trial for crimes in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan and Gitmo--as well as the stealing of the entirety of the land north of the Rio Grande river, south of the Canadian border and between the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean!

Maybe you should just pack your bags and start your long walk back to Albania now-- before the ICC comes for you !!!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!

miriam   October 19th, 2009 11:29 am ET

Solomon,

Oh yes, the mission found this, the mission found that.

The mission spent a few days where they were led around by Hamas who hand-picked their own people to tell the stories they'd been told /paid to tell and view damage claimed to be from Israeli attacks when they were such as easily the result of Hamas missiles, mortars, anti-tank fire and ammunition store explosions.
Did they see Hamas hiding in the factories and civilian areas? Of course not.
So they were never going to be able to report accurately, especially when the mission statement was conclusive before investigations began and members of the mission had already put their signatures to their findings before the war had even finished.

university rector   October 19th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

solomon

let us examine the mandate of the goldstone commission:

The Human Rights Council today announced the appointment of Richard J. Goldstone, former Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda and current Spinoza Fellow at the Netherlands Institute for Advanced Study in the Humanity and Social Sciences, to lead an independent fact-finding mission to investigate international human rights and humanitarian law violations related to the recent conflict in the Gaza Strip.

to investigate violations related to the conflict.

in other words, not to investigate whether there were violations, but to investigate violations.

the conclusion was in the mandate

and what about its members.

a pakistani, a country violently anti-israeli who does not allow israellis into the country. impartial, right?

In a letter co-signed by Chinkin and published in the Sunday Times during the Gaza war — long before the London School of Economics professor was selected as a commission member and thus long before she had a chance to closely investigate the facts — she asserted that Israel was not entitled to defend itself against Hamas rocket fire and insisted that Israel’s actions during the war were "contrary to international humanitarian and human rights law." In other words, she already knew her "answer" before even going through the motions of looking into the question.

so solomon, would you want to be investigated by these "impartial" dignitaries?

you would?

university rector   October 19th, 2009 3:28 pm ET

solomon

i did not see any mention of the rocket launches from civilian buildings in gaza in the report. and there is proof that they happened (see below, a vieo clip is also available)

that is a clear case of using civilians as shields by hamas

any comments, nitwit?

Hanan al-Masri, an Al-Arabiya TV correspondent who works in the station’s offices in Gaza City, discusses on her cell phone that a Grad rocket was launched at Israel from the building she works in during Operation Cast Lead which was launched in late December.

There is something incredibly sinister about the way this woman is smiling and laughs as she is notified that the building she works in was used by Hamas to fire rockets at innocent Israeli civilians.

John A   October 19th, 2009 4:06 pm ET

miriam & filipe we all now you are ridiculous liars. Also boring tiring nonsensical blog maniacs.
Israel refused to co cooperate with the report because it knows its guilty.
This is a case of victims reporting crime to the law and the criminal state of Israel hiding from the law. The report was even written by a Jew, so Miriam & Filipe your madness is really amusing. But if you continue to evade the law, other will eventually take the law into their own hands and "wipe Israel of the face of the earth". And you know who... if you want to make your own down fall keep encouraging Israel to break and evade the law. Its your doom.

John A   October 20th, 2009 7:32 am ET

University Rector, its too bad that you cant post pictures on this blog. Then you could make sketches of Arabs drinking Jewish baby blood. Rector your stream of silly stories are pathetic. And why do you need the world to hate Arabs? Is it because gutless Israel always needs protection from America to let the Israeli army bully Arabic civilians. Your racist hatred toward Arabs is the only issue in the Middle East crises. People like you have created the conflict. Cowards like you who are supported by American military might and fight against unarmed Palestinian civilians and intimidate Arabic nations who are armed with the most out dated and non effective militaries.

miriam   October 20th, 2009 8:05 am ET

John A,

Israel didn't cooperate with the report because the conclusions had been drawn before the investigation began.
Israel has no interest in cooperating with the UNHRC which is undeniably biased and obsessed with the Jewish state.
Being Jewish or non-Jewish has nothing to do with the right to defend a sovereign state from threats of anihilation.

John A   October 20th, 2009 11:45 am ET

Miriam you write of a "threats of annihilation". How dramatic and how ridiculous. Even you know that more Jews died in Gaza through friendly Jewish fire than from Hamas rockets. If Israel was not so indiscriminantly blood thirsty the Jews killed in friendly fire would be alive today. So congratulations, by the time you Zionist have finished everyone will be dead.

The UN wants to put Israels leaders in front of an International Criminal court, but obviously America will veto legal action (which is anti democratic by the way) Miriam do you know who the Judges will be at any future ICC hearing, do you know how a court works. If Israel can prove its innocents it has nothing to worry about. So why are you so worried about it Miriam?

Filipe   October 20th, 2009 12:30 pm ET

John A,

It's hardly my doom!!!! I'm neither there or a Jew! As well-you're not there-- you have your own personal piece of stolen land!! So that gives you the right to whine and cry about the State Of Israel!!!

What crybaby ! Boo hoo hoo!!

If the Palestinians weren't so friggin' stupid as to run around killing each other--they might find the time to work on creating a real honest to goodness nation state.!!!! But no!!!!! They can't even negotiate an agreement with themselves !!!!!!

What a bunch of idiots-–and you seemed to have learned from them pretty well !!!

John A   October 20th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

Filipe are you Hitler's illegitimate son? I ask because Hitlers persecution of the Jews has many parallels with Israels persecution of the Palestinians and you seem to enjoy the persecution of others while cowering in a safe place.

Anonymous Friend   October 20th, 2009 6:26 pm ET

John A, thanks for brining some interesting thoughts to this blog.

And Filipe, Israel might not be your doom, but you are doomed to your own stupidity! As is Israel doomed within its vicious apartheid regime.

Robert   October 20th, 2009 6:33 pm ET

Neomi do you live in a cave. Do you not know about Israels outrageous war crimes? Its a sick nation managed by religious fanatics who have been murdering Arabs since the birth of Israel in 1947. Neomi do you know this has been done with Americas support and American bullets. I say we get America out off this and let the Israeli regime sink in its own stink.

miriam   October 21st, 2009 6:48 am ET

John A,

What has friendly fire accidents got to do with national leaders and their admirers calling for Israel's destruction and the killing of the Jewish people?

It seems to you to only be a problem when the US vetos anti-Israel resolutions but it's fine for Russia and China to veto what they want. If the power of veto is undemocratic, I guess you have confirmed the fact that the UN is an undemocratic organization.

Israel has no fear in proving its innocence.
The issue is the political nature of the UNHRC and the ICC which prevent real justice being done.
If the same block of nations proposed and passed a resolution claiming the world is flat, the evidence to the contrary would also be ignored.

Solomon   October 21st, 2009 1:06 pm ET

the only solution I see is a one state for both Jews and palestinians .

I am sure the Majority of Jews and Palestinian will give that a chance.

Filipe   October 21st, 2009 8:21 pm ET

John A,

Since you're such a dithering fool-maybe someone needs to take the time to explain the simple matter as to exactly who runs Gaza and their faithful brothers to north in Lebanon, Hezbollah-- it's Iran !!!!

Iran, as well as their lap dogs in Gaza and Lebanon, has frequently and repeatedly, in public proclamation announced their desire and objective to "wipe Israel from the face of the earth" !

But that's OK if you believe this is nothing more than Mickey the radical Islamic Mouse beating his chest. You are perfectly welcome to ignore and discount the radical gibberish as nothing more than idle threats.

But you should realize-- those who are the actual targets of such threats will not.

The State of Israel, should not and will not take such rhetoric as anything other than a true and accurate statement of position from the leadership of a radical Islamic country. They must take the threat as serious and real.

So when Israel reacts to such threats of violence- it's not without merit!

If your good neighbors in the border towns in Mexico told you they were going to come to your house with the intention of torching it and murdering you and your entire family-- you'd probably take them serious and do your best to head off the conflict-don't you think???

Or would you just blow it off, sit back and drink your beer and ignore the crazy Mexicanos??

miriam   October 22nd, 2009 7:03 am ET

John A,

Which is it?

Denying the crimes of Hitler or falsifying the actions of Israel?

Both!

miriam   October 22nd, 2009 7:06 am ET

Robert,

Neomi seems to live in the real world.

You live in the world of fantasy.

university rector   October 22nd, 2009 6:36 pm ET

"The UN wants to put Israels leaders in front of an International Criminal court"

John A

as usual nothing but lies from you,

university rector   October 22nd, 2009 8:51 pm ET

CNN censors

you are not better than john A by posting his lies, incitement and antisemitic tirades

but if I call him what he is, an antisemitic neonazi nitwit, you censor me

he can go on fasifying history, presenting lies, incite to murder, he can do what he wants on this blog

you will let it through

Hope   October 22nd, 2009 10:36 pm ET

You guys are confused, lets do this again.

Robert lives in the real world, Naomi lives in a fantasy world, and miriam in a psychosis world.

Hope   October 22nd, 2009 10:41 pm ET

Oh that is soo funny...just catching up on reading this side of the blog and cant help but cracking up on John A wondering if Filipe is Hitler's illegitimate son....hahaha..Filipe are you? Babe, don't be shy..just say so if you are :)

vincent b.   October 22nd, 2009 11:04 pm ET

John A & friends,
you really should stop mumbling because we don't understand you.
have you ever noticed who are the nations that blame Israel for doing crimes? let me tell you, please:
the great democracy of Libya and it's insane president.
the peacefull country of Sudan and it's over a million casualties in Darfur.
the beloved Iran that loves everybody- jews, israelies, christians, blacks, gays, americans, british, sunnites and hate nuclear wepon (remind me of some german guys about 60 years ago...)
the libarated Syria with a very intelligent president that wins the 'elections' with 99.0% of the votes evry time – amazing!
I've almost forgot the advenced country of kוwait that gave women the permission last week to issue a paasport without their husband permission-wow!
I can go on and on..
how can it be that all of this crazy countries blame Israel for all of thier problems?
does Israel is really the problem? no it's not.
the problem is those regims that try to deflact their internal issues over Israel and by that to keep their power in hand.

Filipe   October 24th, 2009 9:59 am ET

John A,

You are the one on this blog daily supporting and promoting bigotry, hatred, violence and murder of civilians through lame attempts to justify the action of Hamas, Hezbollah and their master in Tehran!!!

And accuse me of being a relative of Hitler !!!!!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!

You must be one of the prime customers of the Mexican cartel doing business in your homeland in California-stolen homeland. And your subservient apostle the Hopeless one follows all of your dithering lunacies- she's just more of the same.

Are all the immigrant European settlers in California like you two clowns???

Hope   October 24th, 2009 5:30 pm ET

Filipe, a touch of genius I always suspected, but Nostradamus??? You are an amazing marvel of embryonic brains!! and now you caught (us) in a wow another hah!! moment...and I thought only cnn's owled face can pull such a unbelievable exposé!...I am sorry if the wondrous splendor of the Pacific Ocean is beyond the league of little people..But listen, don't give hope!!..The chilled slow south flowing surf wind can accommodates the incapacitated as well :)

university rector   October 24th, 2009 7:44 pm ET

John A

you and your ancestors stole the land from the indians, have you no shame ??

Manhattan ('the hill island,' or 'the island of hills,' from manah 'island', -atin 'hill.' Tooker). A tribe of the Wappinger confederacy that occupied Manhattan Island and the east bank of Hudson river and shore of Long Island Sound, in Westchester county, N. Y.
Early Dutch writers applied the name also to people of neighboring Wappinger tribes. The Manhattan had their principal village, Nappeckamack, where Yonkers now stands, and their territory stretched to Bronx river. From their fort, Nipinichsen, on the north bank of Spuyten Duyvil creek, they sallied out in two canoes to attack Hendrik Hudson when he returned down the river in 1609. Manhattan Island contained several villages which they used only for hunting and fishing. One was Sapohanikan.

Filipe   October 25th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

The Hopeless wonder should find her way back to the land of her ancestors and leave the stolen land her sorry a$$ occupies for the rightful owners.

The problem, however, would be that no one would want her. Especially since it's her and those like her who have manged to transform the 8th largest economy in the world into the first bankrupt and failed state in the entire history to the USA.

After all that's exactly what the whining, crying, dithering fool repeatedly spews about the people who live in the sovereign State of Israel!!

What dithering fool!!

university rector   October 25th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

just for you John A (and Hope, this is exactly what you posted a few months ago, the palestinians were nomads migrating from outside the area, remember)

Jews dominated the Holyland in 1695
- Jun 11, 2008

…A resident of Caesarea who is a lover of antiquarian books and Judaica found in Budapest an old book, in Latin, which had been written by a Christian named Reland, chronicling his trip in the land of Israel in 1695/6.

The writer, Reland, a man of many talents – a geographer, a cartographer and a philologist – knew Hebrew, Arabic and Ancient Greek, as well as the European languages, perfectly. The book was written in Latin. In the year 1695, Reland was sent on a tour of the land of Israel or, as it was then called, Palestine. During that trip, he visited approximately 2500 places which had been inhabited and mentioned in the Bible or in the Mishnah (a collection of early oral interpretations of the scriptures compiled about A.D. 200.)…

…No settlement in the land of Israel has a name of Arabic extraction. The names of settlements are mostly of Hebrew extraction; some of Greek or Latin-Roman. In fact, no Arab settlement (except for Ramla) has had an original Arabic name to this day. Most names of Arab settlements are of Hebrew or Greek extraction which have been impaired and replaced by meaningless names in Arabic. There is no meaning in Arabic for the names Acre, Haifa, Jaffa, Nablus, Gaza or Jenin and the names of cities, such as Ramallah, El-Halil and El-Kuds have no historical or philological roots in Arabic. In the year 1696, the year in which the tour was taken, Ramallah, for example, was called Beit El, Hebron was called Hebron and Mearat HaMachpelah was called El Chalil (a name for Abraham of the Bible).

The land was, on the whole, empty and desolate; the inhabitants were few and concentrated in the cities of Jeusalem, Acre, Safed, Jaffa, Tiberius and Gaza. Most of the inhabitants of the cities were Jews, the others were Christian; there were very few Moslems, mostly nomadic Bedouins. Nablus (Schem) was different, with a population of about 120 people from the Moslem Natsha family and about 70 Shomronites. In Nazareth, the capital of the Galilee, there were approximately 700 people – all Christians…

It is interesting that Reland mentions all the Muslims as nomadic Bedouin tribes who arrived in the area as seasonal workers, in both agriculture and construction. In Gaza, for example, there were approximately 550 people; fifty per-cent of them were Jews, the rest Christians. The Jews engaged in flourishing agriculture, owning vineyards and olive orchards and growing wheat (like in Gush Katif) and the Christians engaged in commerce and the transportation of the produce.

In Tiberius and in Safed there were Jewish settlements, though their occupations, on the whole, were not mentioned. The only exception was fishing in the Kinneret – a traditionally Tiberian activity. A city such as Um el-Phachem, for example, was then a village of 10 families, all Christian, consisting of about 50 people; a small Maronite church was also mentioned. (The Shehadah family)

The book totally contradicts the post-modern theory of "a Palestinian heritage" or a Palestinian people, and strongly supports the fact that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews and not at all to the Arabs, who stole the land, and the name Palestine, as well, stole from the Latin and still claim to possess even that.

Hope   October 25th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

rector and filipe..

Have you no shame Bashing the Europeans of North America? After all..it is "them" who had given Israel a blindfolded unconditional support, and unlimited amount of financial aid for the last 60 years? Don't you know by now, Israel could be (NOTHING) without the support of the Americans, and here you are bashing them. Are both your nutheads always full of popcorn, writing without thinking becomes the norm!....Btw, the indigenous people (indians as you prefer to call them) of the Americas migrated from Siberia across the Bering Strait..vs..the indigenous people of Palestine (Palestinians) originated in the holy land. Its all proven in the DNA!!!!..surely you read the DNA articles, and from all your comments that I've read..you gave the DNA theory thumbs up!...Or no?

University rector   October 26th, 2009 8:18 am ET

Hope

how come you change your story every other day?

You yourself provided a link showing that the palestinians migrated to the area from another place.

so suddenly now this link does not exist anymore? because it does not suit you anymore?

how dishonest can you get?

is there no hope for you?

miriam   October 26th, 2009 9:50 am ET

Hope,

Indigenous people do not usually refer to themselves with the name that a conquering nation gave to that province.
If Palestinians are indigenous, what are they?

Jews? ie Jews have a historical connection to the Holyland.
Canaanites? ie a population who fought the Jews and disappeared or were incorporated into Jewish society.
Pre-Canaanite tribes made extinct by invading non-indigenous Cannanites?
Philistines? Another invading nation who fought the Jews.

Filipe   October 26th, 2009 1:24 pm ET

Hope,

You still fail to understand, per your logic-your sorry a$$ has no more right to the "stolen land" you occupy than do the Israelis.

So if it is so politically correct and universally acceptable for the land of north America to belong to the descendants of the European settlers--how is it so different for the Israelites ???

In fact--in the case of the Israelites-they have true historical roots in the middle east and the land of Judea/ Israel. Whereas you and your European settler ancestors never had any presence in all of eternity in North America until a few hundred years ago. The land never belonged to the Europeans--EVER !!!!

But get one thing straight-I'm not bashing the Americans--- I'm bashing you, the hopeless one, John A, and those who spew violence and hatred and bigotry toward the Israelis !!!!!!

But with your twisted little mind you think by comments are addressed to an entire population-–wrong !!!! It's only the bigots and hatemongers that I bash!!

Darren   October 27th, 2009 5:27 pm ET

Filipe & Miriam your arguements are totally stupid. Do us all a favour and take a break from this blog. Cheers and come back when you have less free time.

Filipe   October 27th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

Hope

You've never read anything that I have ever posted that referred to the Native Americans as "indians".

That's nothing but one more example of your self generated fantasies!!!

Why do you have such difficulties with accurately depicting what others have posted???

Do you have this incessant need to twist everything in such away as to suit your own juvenile needs??

As well--it was you who posted the link that verified that the "Palestinians" are " Arabs" whose true origins are the various tribes of the Arabian Peninsula!!!

Do you also have short term memory problems???

Oooops!!! Maybe you shouldn't have posted that link!!!!!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!

Sorry about your luck !!!!

val   October 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

The same situation is about to occur for citizens living in Hardin Montana. Where a Private Prison is being run by foriegn a agency , and that agency will also be the local police force. The residents are already calling themselves Palestinians.

Hope   October 27th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Would it be possible for you to deliver a comment (any comment) without your benevolent foul-angry juvenile lingo?

miriam   October 28th, 2009 12:57 pm ET

val,

It's so easy to become a Palestinian!

university rector   October 28th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

Hope

would it be possible for you to deliver a comment (any comment) that has some truth lingo in it?

Filipe   October 28th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

Does Darren have anything to offer on his point of view. Or is it simply limited to showing up out of nowhere and saying " Your view is Stupid" !!!

What a hoot!!! Sounds like John A -reincarnated!!!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!

Come back when you might have some truly original thoughts!!!

Anytime after school's out- the blog is open !!!

Neomi   October 28th, 2009 7:32 pm ET

val- why don't they call themselves iranianes, syrians or maybe chinese?
it seems like all of them kill and lock up their own pepole just because they kissed at the street or something like that...

man, there are so many horrifying regimes in the world.
don't compere any of them to Israel.
the only reason we are talking so much about the Israeli-arab conflict is because there are more then 20 arab countries and only one (very very small) jewish country, but the arabs want it all. so they pump the world with their lies and false hope for better place without the jews.
then you got peapole like John A & Hope that make up stories that based on half truth and all lies- but what would they care?
someone will belive it finally.
those corrupted gerimes tell their pepole for more then 60 years that all thier problems are because of Israel. 60 years! !
while the presidant of Syria sleep in a palace where are the common pepole sleep? how about the pepole in Sudan – darfur (I don't want to get started..). Somalia? Afganistan? Lebanon? Lybia? all of those horrible places and it's all because of Israel they say.

just think about it – why do we talk so much about Israel?
just think about it...

Filipe   October 28th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

Hope,

If you didn't have such a bigoted, hateful and demeaning attitude toward Israel and the Jewish people, no one would address you the way that they do!

You reap what you sow !

You are the one who is on here constantly whining and crying about the situation--screaming about the "pasty white, round faced, Jewish babushkas" should go back to Russia -blah, blah, blah, blah!!!

Talk about "juvenile foul language"-- you're the best !!!!!

Get over it !!!! Israel isn't going anywhere-no matter what you say or how much you whine and cry out "occupied, stolen land" !!!!

It's people like you who are the only ones on the world who think this way-- and your not the ones who make s**ts worth of difference.!

Go whine and cry to Governator about the sad, sorry, bankrupts state of affairs you currently live in in California!

Let those on the other side of the planet take care of their own affairs-- let's see if they are capable!!

John A   October 28th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

Hope, you cant ask Filipe to stop using foul-angry juvenile lingo. That would be anti Semitic! Filipe supports Israel and so he is free to act as awfully as he wants. Only a rotten terrorist would ask Israel not to bomb civilians, not to rob land and water resources or not to imprison people without access to a lawyer.

university rector   October 29th, 2009 6:28 pm ET

John A

let's talk about access to a lawyer

how many of the gitsmo inmates were allowed a lawyer?

all palestinians are allowed access to lawyers

try and disprove this fact

Filipe   October 29th, 2009 8:35 pm ET

John A,

If CNN thought my language was foul they wouldn't publish my posts!!!

It's only the whining, slobbering crybabies on this blog who complain because that's all they know how to do-cry and complain!!!!

They fit right in with the Palestinians in this respect-– can't do a friggin' thing for themselves, but they sure know how to whine, cry and complain to a world about how mistreated they are !!!!

You've become quite proficient at it also--from the opposite side of the planet !!!

How does that work for you??? Is it getting you what you need in your bankrupt failed state of California??

Hope   October 30th, 2009 4:51 pm ET

Filipe Filipe Filipe..I see you are still foaming in the mouth regarding Ca!..Could you be a bit more knowledgeable about it before rushing with the usual childlike comments. Of-course this place is limited only to those who are of a higher unique productive minds!!..Therefore your resentments are understandable. Tough being a witless, but do put an effort (yes it is painful) finishing the article..

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1931582,00.html

"It's still a dream state. In fact, the pioneering megastate that gave us microchips, freeways, blue jeans, tax revolts, extreme sports, energy efficiency, health clubs, Google searches, Craigslist, iPhones and the Hollywood vision of success is still the cutting edge of the American future"....

"Somehow its supposedly hostile business climate has nurtured Google, Apple, Hewlett-Packard, Facebook, Twitter, Disney, Cisco, Intel, eBay, YouTube, MySpace, the Gap and countless other companies that drive the way we live."

"Whenever we have a problem, everyone makes a big drama — 'Oh, my God, it's the end. California is over,'" Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger told me."It's all bogus."

Is it my turn to say ha ha ha ha!!! :)

Filipe   November 1st, 2009 1:14 pm ET

Hopless,

If CA is such a wonderful, progressive, productive and advanced society--how is it that it has managed to become the first bankrupt and failed economy in the entire history of the US ??

Maybe you should leave the land of opportunity to it's rightful owners-the Native Americans and the Mexicanos who lived in peace prosperity for centuries before people like you, Paris, Brittany, John A and Charlie Manson showed up and took over !!!!

Ah ha h ha ha ha ha !!!!

But you really don't have a clue-- I have nothing against CA !!!! It's only people like you and John A, who are filled withe bigotry and hatred, promote terrorism and violence against civilians and Jews that
I "foam at the mouth" about !!!

But I understand-- you can't seem to grasp the big picture-- with your limited capacity.

John A   November 1st, 2009 3:41 pm ET

Filipe as usual you lie and as always I tell you that I am not American and I don’t live there. However if California was a country it would be the 6th richest country in the world. And that’s after Californian taxes have helped Israel with its annual 3 billion dollar handout.

Filipe I do not say hahahaha to you. However each time I read your comments I must hahahahaha. Filipe How can you be so thick? Is it in the DNA?

John A   November 1st, 2009 3:44 pm ET

University Rector, please remember that you have already been proven incorrect. So take the Alzheimer’s tabs and stop your mad Zionist rants. Cheers

university rector   November 1st, 2009 7:41 pm ET

Hope,

Did I thank you alkready for proving to all of us that the Palestinians migrated from the Arabian peninsula, i.e. they never lived where they claim ownership suddenly now?

No?

So thank you for proving our point, thank you very much.

university rector   November 1st, 2009 7:51 pm ET

microchips? Texas instruments, not California
Blue Jeans, ever heard of Levy, a Jew!!
Intel: most of the fast chips are developed in Haifa, Israel

tough Hope, but true

now it's our turn to say: hahahahahahaha :)

miriam   November 2nd, 2009 9:21 pm ET

John A,

Most of the US aid to Israel goes straight back into the US economy.
That is, the US is aiding local companies.

Why don't you analyse the US aid to other countries for a change instead of singling out Israel from some strange reason that couldn't possibly be anti-semitic?
You'll find that few of them put anything back into the US and receive millions in aid from many other sources in addition.

Filipe   November 2nd, 2009 10:18 pm ET

John A,

Wrong again-- California has the worlds 8th largest economy-- that hardly makes them the 6th richest !!!!!!! Since they're friggin' broke !!!!! Bankrupt !!!!!!

Do you not understand the difference ???? Maybe that's what's wrong with California-- people there think like you do!!

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/10/2009101881543377434.html

"Critics say California's politics are so deadlocked, its government so dysfunctional, it may become the US's first failed state."

"If our politicians don't get their heads out of their asses, this state is going to be – let's put it this way: some of those Third World countries are going to look a lot better than California."

If you have any evidence to prove otherwise-post it-your blind dithering and blabbering hardly resembles anything close to the truth!

You're so blind that you can live in the middle of it and still can't see the truth !!!!

But you think you know the truth about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict !!!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!

Filipe   November 2nd, 2009 11:05 pm ET

Hople!!!

Pretty Funny !!!!

California !!!! Home of Blue Jeans !!!!

Levi Strauss!!!! Ah ha ha ha ha ha !!!

Oh-- you must have referring to Calvin Klein --Sorry!!!!!

Ooppps !!!! That's Jewish too !!! OMG !!!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!

But I don't guess we'll be hearing form you anytime soon-–at least not until you can find a PC that's free of Israeli/Jewish designed, manufactured components--or free of components manufactured on equipment that is Israeli made !!!!!!

Good luck with that !!!---

You can kiss your IPod and IPhone goodbye !!

Better hope you never need any X Rays, CT Scans or sophisticated diagnostic procedures either-- you'd just SOL !!!

Energy efficient-– you're so far behind the EU-– it's not even close !!! All you can do is talk about it. You make me laugh !!!!

20% of the electricity in Portugal is produced with wind turbines.

Over 1/3 of Portugal's electricity is currently produced from renewable sources and will grow to over 45% in 2010

The largest solar electric farm in the world is in Portugal.

There is currently an infrastructure of 1300 electric car recharging stations being installed throughout the country- soon to be expanded to service stations, shopping mall, hotels, airports and parking lots.

The worlds first commercial wave farm for generating electricity is in Portugal!

But that's OK -– Hope-- you've done well with facebook, myspace, youtube, twitter, craig's list, Disnelyland and Hollywood !!.....etc.

Not sure what any of those have to do with keeping California out the RED INK!!

But that's OK-- if you see it as the "cutting edge" of Americas future-- hope it works for you!!!!

California-also home the US' largest prison system!!! Hmmmm!!!! I'm sure there's a reason for that! Does it have anything to do with those nasty immigrants from the south coming back to reclaim their land the white European settlers stole from them??

Bruce   November 4th, 2009 12:37 am ET

Whenever America enormous financialaid to Israel is mentioned, the Zionists like Filipe and Miriam always defend the aid by claiming its good for America. They then go on to claim Israel can stand on its own feet.

Why doesn’t Israel refuse the aid? If lame arse Israel is self sufficient, why does Filipe and Miriam & Co always rush to the blog and write of the benefits Americans receive by giving aid to Israel. They sound worried that American people might wake up!

We all know the American economy would be far better off if Israel had not bleed us dry for the last 60 years. 3 billion dollars every year. Wow how much health insurance, tax relief or schooling could that buy for our American kids. Instead the money goes (without consulting the American people) to prop up lame arse Israel.

Well if God promised them the land, let God sought them out. But no more American tax money should be sent to lame arse Israel.

miriam   November 4th, 2009 1:06 pm ET

Bruce,

Israel is doing precisely that, reducing its dependency on US aid.

But why do you object to the aid to Israel, a US ally, when more aid is supplied to other states that claim to be a friend of the US in order to get FREE cash, but incite against and attack America behind its back?

You obviously prefer self-destruction than a shekel of the Jewish state's help.

university rector   November 4th, 2009 8:10 pm ET

bruce

you would have so many more unemployed, were it not for the military aid law which requires israel to spend the aid in the US of A, thus giving full employment to tens of thousands directly and indirectly, who would otherwise be on the dole.

but you don't care about US unemployement, only about not supporting the jews, right?

university rector   November 4th, 2009 8:13 pm ET

filipe

i pity you for not understanding that logic and facts will not persuade hope and johnny baby

but maybe they should sail oin an iranian weapons freighter????!!!???

Filipe   November 5th, 2009 12:55 am ET

Bruce

What wealth of knowledge you possess. Where have you seen anything from me in promoting benefits to the the US as a result of US Aid to Israel???

What does Israel do with the money???

Where does Israel spend the money?

Are there requirements and stipulations put on the use of the money by the US government?

How many US jobs-high paying jobs-depend on the aid send to Israel every year??

What is the benefit to the US economy of the annual aid sent to Israel??

If you would take the time to investigate -for yourself- the answers to these questions- it would become quite clear to you -- the driving factor between the US and their long term relationship and arrangements with Israel and the annual aid programs.

But since your small limited capacity can only see the arrangement as "welfare"--you'll never get the true picture.

Furthermore. you should also make an effort a small amount of self education to establish in your own mind-since you seem to be lacking in a basic understanding of the true size of the Israeli economy-- just how important $3B is Israel in the overall picture of their economy!!!! You might be surprised as to how insignificant it really is.

But good luck in explaining to your US citizens, whose jobs depend on exports to Israel-– sorry-– but you're out of a job because we cut off the money to Israel and they are no longer buying what you make !!! Do you really think it matters to them- where the money comes from??? All they care about is the fact that they still have a job!!

Do yourself a favor- educate yourself a little on the subject- you might not appear so ignorant in the future!!

Shame_on_anyone_who_supports_Israel   November 5th, 2009 1:20 pm ET

Bruce you are right. Every time US aid to Israel is mentioned, Filipe, Rector and Miriam rush to the blog and tell us America is better of for giving its hard earned money to Israel.

Since Israel was created in 1948, the US has given over 100 billion dollars. In return we have had a middle east crises for 60 years.

No more blood in the name of the promised land!!!

No more American taxes for Israel!!

Filipe   November 5th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

Shame_On_The_Nutcase_Whining_About_ Aid

The only "crisis" in the Middle East is a self inflicted one which the Muslims have managed to generate based on their utter incompetence's, ignorance, endless hate for each other as well has hate for any and all those who fail to follow the "correct" form of Islam and lack of ability to establish any workable form of self governance.

But we all realize the crisis is all because of the Jews and Israel!!!

What hoot!!!

Who taught you that??

miriam   November 6th, 2009 5:43 am ET

Shame,

Ever considered that its the US aid to the other countries in the ME that is perpetuating the problem?
Those countries that drain more dollars, give little back and incite and attack the US behind its back.

There has been crisis in the region for thousands of years not just since 1948.
The last 62 years could have been more peaceful if the Arabs had not rejected the UN Partition Plan, however they prefered intolerance and an unachievable military victory.

Neomi   November 7th, 2009 9:09 am ET

shame,

do you really belive in what you are saying? or maybe you just heard it around your neighborhood?
the conflict was in the ME long before israel was established.
did you think about that if Israel wouldn't be attacked over and over during the last 61 years by the "peace loving" arabs countries in the region (syria, lebanon, egypt and even iraq), my guess is that the money US gives would be reduce to 0.

* Israel wasn't "created" out of the blue.


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