Inside the Middle East
November 14, 2009
Posted: 726 GMT

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Hope   November 15th, 2009 3:03 am ET

I am sorry to say, but Operation Cast Lead is not completed.

Donkeys smuggled thru tunnels?? For children's entertainment??...Israel, MUST respond immediately by air strike bombing the tunnels AND swiftly get rid of the children's zoo.

(illegal donkeys = security issues!!). In addition creating a healthy happy environment for Gaza's children is a baaaaad Rap. for Israel. What if the world starts to view these people as "normal"!!!, and question Israel's motive for Caging them? The reporter is going off-track presenting Gazan's as (humans!). This is unacceptable.

miriam   November 15th, 2009 9:23 am ET

Why only mention "Israel's blockade"?
They could import the animals across the real Egyptian border but, oh yes, Egypt is also imposing a blockade.
If you can smuggle a donkey through a tunnel, why not zebra?

No mention that the reason animals may have starved during the war was because Hamas surrounded zoos with explosives and booby-traps. Ther is video evidence. No wonder nobody could access the animals.

This is another example of the deceit with which the innocent children of Gaza are growing-up. They have plenty of it with their children's TV. Great entertainment discussing which method they will employ to kill the Jews when they are older etc.

Sharon   November 15th, 2009 4:34 pm ET

And still CNN fails to inform Americans that the entire world has voted against Israel in the United Nations because of Israels war crimes!

Instead CNN feels Americans should learn about donkeys?

Get serious!

No more blood in the name of the promised land!
No more American Tax aid should be sent to Israel!

Israel is seen by the world as a criminal state! Americans should be informed!

earle,florida   November 15th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

I was fortunate to have a free public zoo in my city,thus I brought my children as infants all... to the park where the zoo resided, and spent countless hours picnicing Saturdays,Sundays,and all holiday's religously marveling at the wonderment of it all (basically my families early years were spent at the park,and zoo,unfortunately we moved futher away so trips became less frequent as life does dectate these matters)..... "Behold the the sights,and smells of life's priceless bounty saith the Lord",....Just in time we find the true value of footloose wild entries into to what seems to be our wayward forgotten ways. The lonesome beast all awaken innocently to the ways of timeless evolution, and the miracles brought about by our own symbiotic epithany with the futures past,and presence. Our eye's behold creations great diversity....the majesty of unities wholeness. Nomad's all...the wanton species of we go forth in wonderment ,challenging carnal metamorphose leading us onward,.... up and down, and fro...criss-crossing paths of bewildement. The joy is ours today...alone all...for we feast on tomorrows estranged enlightenment. The creator captivates all our well wishes as one,...never to be abandoned...or left alone with overburdensome hopelessness crying within for redemption, the very watering-hole of the soul's creative salvation....the guiltless seasons of bounty,and despair wanting no reprisal for what is meant to be,as written in the book of life. I ask myself,is love forever when it comes by sight,a feigned commitment juxaposed by destiny's ambiguity? Wanderer's all creatures.... meandering in a boundless world often finding our path back in the darkest hours of our surrealistic hardened through life's injustice,ironically they become miraculously a loadstone....a transfigured compass of imagination to escape back into reality where we once amongst the beast in tranquility knowing their birth-rite is equally paralleled to our very existence. Behold the true sights of lifes peaceful bounty. Thus... no child should,or shall be denied the breath,and sight of mankind's better half,..."Oh how I yearn to lay with the lion,and lamb in the afterlife".

miriam   November 15th, 2009 9:43 pm ET


What entire world?

A bunch of third world, non-democratic leaders ( or perhaps sheep) who do not represent their citizens, most of whom have no idea about world politics and are more interested in surviving the next day and wondering why their leaders care more about siding-up with oil-rich, terror exporting nations than paying any attention to their own populations.

There are thousands of Africans attempting to cross into Israel every day because they know that Israel will care about them more than their own leaders, that is, if they don't get shot by Egyptian soldiers on the way.

university rector   November 15th, 2009 10:10 pm ET


that the entire world has voted against Israel in the United Nations because of Israels war crimes!

Oh really?

truthfulness is not one of your virtues

robert christophel   November 16th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

the best way to bring the talibomb out of hidding is to run the playboy channel 24/7 and these gay natzi will freak out and blow themselfs up. their curroption is top down as they gut our citys hide in the back ground and claim the american is never moral enough to prosper.
The medical monopolies silent genocide

Let’s look at the facts
1) From their nicotine patch to their Parkinson’s drug they control the crave
2) They will tell you they only make designer steroids for the athletics and breathalyzer pills for the Europeans, but they only lie about their fen fen and their viox
3) Their stated mission is to create a need and then fill it; they are in it for the profit
4) Nixon had to do something to silent the anti war protestor, when they can arrest the beatnik poet 33 times in one year but they could not silence them, they needed a drug war
5) The largest jail population in the world, the land of the free! But you can be assured that the Louisiana sheriff who refused to marry an interracial couple wouldn’t use the crave. If he had the technology
6) With two shootings every night in every major city you can be assured that we are just helping these people
7) With 12 people any night of the week pushing their drugs on the street while the honest pot dealer is beaten in the ally with their Billy clubs
8) It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why they work so hard to keep weed illegal
9) They will try to tell you there are no criminals in LA, no one in California needed the money more than some hot shot Nazi to play high roller and target someone like chech and Chong
10) The Carolina sheriff wins a presidential medal for destroying all these honest decent black people only to find out he was the scum bringing all the drugs into his town
11) Chambers gets paid a million dollars a year for lying in court, the people above him knew he was lying and the people below him knew he was lying, and when the Post Dispatch newspaper pointed out what a back stabbing coward he was they do nothing his victim still remain
12) They take 6 million dollars out of the poor and black neighborhoods and after spending $5000.00 dollars on badges they can only account for 3million dollars, none was spent on roads schools or welfare
13) From Duke University to Hulshof, to Salvatie it’s top down protocol
14) The gold and black gang member in new York city decides to put an end to all the crime and violence on the street resorting the rule of law and bringing the real criminals to justice only to latter claim that he is being poisoned and they trump up some other charge 60 minutes TV show
15) They steal cars from the handicap and attack the cancer patient and scoliosis patient blatantly ignoring the will of the people from California to Missouri.
16) They single out American citizens not the strong but our old and sick and demand that Canada changes its laws to stop the poor from saving a dollar on their heath care.
17) They get on the front page of the newspaper boasting of how they make their garbage in the labs to rip off the poor and unsuspecting
18) They tell you the economy is just soo bad that the guy had to rip off 13 convenience stores in a 3 month time period; he couldn’t just rip off one to buy what he needed or wanted
19) The California preacher during the guns for Iran program, rev Wright these all are just some crazy
20) They admit they work to run the smoker broke but they wouldn’t do that to the poor and black
21) you can be assured that if they did control the crave the raciest money hungry Nazi would just let the people know and stop persecuting the Thomas Edison’s (a Coke head) George Washington and Henry Fords, pot heads and restore our freedom.
22) From David Copperfield to Chris Angel these magician and people like them wouldn’t be using some high technology weapons to eliminate the undesirables.
23) South African doctor gets caught using a high tech weapon to inject people with the aids virus and some high government official flies in takes it and nothing further said. CBS60 min
24) They spray paraquat on the weed knowing that it did nothing but give the smoker cancer and they get a promotion if they agree not to put paraquat on the weed any more
25) From their contaminated vaccines to their campaign against the smokers, drinkers and donut eaters these gods in white coats and their bounty hunter are selling out our freedom.
26) What lie will they tell about you when they come after you with the crave and criminalize you for barring arms against their harms.
27)10,000 people a year die on the streets fighting for what they claim they need or want and you either pay endlessly for their incompetence or your considered crazy
28) They made a refugee the governor of California libertarian, tortured; until he pissed blood then they gave him a chemical substitute for weed and said it had nothing to do with weed.
29) Time magazine puts a huge pot leaf on the front cover and points out the true science of weed is being subverted
30) Dow chemical, petrol chemical was instrumental in turning people free choices into a war on drugs, a retired Dow scientist is the one who made the meth recipe
31) Petrol chemical, connection to the Arabs and the talibomb as we have to pay $4.00 a gallon.
32) with the billions they make off the people you can be assured that the Arabs wouldn’t have bought the MK ultra program or their Edgewood research that was suppose to be shelved in the 1960s
33) There attack against small business using healthcare and promoting their right wing philosophy has gutted our cities until all we have left is churches
34) Is the right wing secretly supported by the petrol chemical and talibomb to promote their form of morality?
35) The only thing different from the right wing and the talibomb is one is a cult

Read more in the book about Christians and freedom

Filipe   November 16th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

"The entire world voted against Israel" in the United Nations ____ah ha ha ha h a!!!!! I guess both me and my country missed that ballot !!!!

When was that????

Did someone get convicted of war crimes??

I guess I missed that too!!

Or is this just more incoherent gibberish and slobbering coming from someone who can't stand the fact that there are two sides to every story ????

John A   November 17th, 2009 2:14 pm ET

Both Sharon and Filipe are almost correct.

On one side most of the world, including Asia and Europe voted against the bloody Israeli regime. On the other side America promised to block the overwhelming world opinion from entering law via International Security Council.

Interesting that Israel’s only defence is Americas UN veto to prevent this from becoming law. Interesting that the USA, a supposed leader of democracy, does not like the law to be applied to its allies. And yes Filipe there are two sides to every story, but your compulsive ranting mind doesn’t have the ability to understand either.

miriam   November 19th, 2009 5:54 am ET

John A,

"Most of Europe" did not vote for the UNGA resolution I assume you are refering to.
The countries that did were the predictable bunch whose leaders cannot think for themselves.

What is the "International Security Council"?

UN Security Council Resolutions are not law.
Those resolutions passed under Chapter VI are not binding.

University rector   November 19th, 2009 8:28 am ET

John A

you of course defended the decision by the UN equating Zionism with racism, that was voted by the same automatic majority as the present decision

you are such a hypocrite

John A   November 19th, 2009 11:29 am ET

Certifiable Rector, Zionism is racism. So what point were you trying to make?

As Israel increasingly inserts itself into the occupied territories, and as Israeli settlers, Israeli settlements, and Israeli-only roads proliferate and a state infrastructure benefiting only Jews takes over more and more territory, it becomes no longer possible to ignore the racist underpinnings of the Zionist ideology that directs this enterprise.

It is no longer possible today to wink at the permanence of Zionism's thrust beyond Israel's pre-1967 borders. It is now clear that Israel's control over the occupied territories is, and has all along been intended to be, a drive to assert exclusive Jewish control, taming the Palestinians into submission and squeezing them into ever smaller, more disconnected segments of land or, failing that, forcing them to leave Palestine altogether.

It is totally obvious to anyone who spends time on the ground in Palestine-Israel that the animating force behind the policies of the present and all past Israeli governments in Israel and in the occupied West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem has always been a determination to assure the predominance of Jews over Palestinians. Such policies can only be described as racist, and we should stop trying any longer to avoid the word.

John A   November 19th, 2009 11:35 am ET

The advance of Zionism has been a process of displacement, and house demolitions have been "at the center of the Israeli struggle against the Palestinians" since 1948. There's been steady history of destruction: in the first six years of Israel's existence, it systematically razed 418 Palestinian villages inside Israel, fully 85 percent of the villages existing before 1948; since the occupation began in 1967, Israel has demolished 11,000 Palestinian homes. More homes are now being demolished in the path of Israel's "separation wall." It is estimated that more than 4,000 homes have been destroyed in the last two years alone.

The vast majority of these house demolitions, 95 percent, have nothing whatever to do with fighting terrorism, but are designed specifically to displace non-Jews and assure the advance of Zionism. How can anybody honestly say Zionism is not racism?

Filipe   November 19th, 2009 1:37 pm ET

John A,

What a clown -- Europe didn't vote against Israel on anything !!!

Some EU countries voted for the Goldstone report, some EU countries voted against and some EU countries didn't vote at all !!!

And how misinformed you are about the UN and their policies and authority-- even if they voted to adopt the Goldstone report-it doesn't make it a "LAW"

You should probably educate yourself on the UN and it's authority before you start blabbering about laws an illegal ....blah blah ...blah

But why should anyone expect you to claim anything other than "the entire world voted against Israel"

You need to grow up and learn the meaning of the word "FACTS" !!!

Obviously you are clueless !!!

miriam   November 19th, 2009 3:43 pm ET

John A,

More cutting and pasting from the politically motivated anti-Zionist works of the Christison pair.

The fact that Israel has a population of non-Zionist Arabs who have all the rights that the rest of the population has is evidence that modern Israel, a product of modern Zionism, is not racist.

Ethnic cleansing of Arabia, Jordan, Jordanian West Bank, Gaza etc and the desire to rid the ME of Israel is consummate racism.

Ari   November 19th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

It is entirely depressing to read the responses to this blog post. The comments or the unrelated comments to this blog show the urgent need for a dialogue between various opinion camps and Yes, both sides of the story.

All the blog respondents to this post have some valid points and all of them exaggerated the facts based on what they liked to believe.

The problem of the Mid-East is that almost all its inhabitants claim some form of superiority. So long as everyone thinks they are more entitled than others, this problem would not come to an end.

What is more sad is that Mid-East has become such polarizing issue that civilized dialogue has become impossible on the issues; even when it’s about a painted donkey.

The Mid-Eastern countries are going to keep on fighting till they realize one day that there is no more water and whatever of it is left has been mismanaged or been lost due to various conflicts and border disputes. Then they would have to put aside the argument of who is more special and who is the fairest one of all, and get to the business of solving the real problems.

I wish the day would come and the Israeli and Palestinian children could play with one another in a zoo and enjoy being children without having to listen to such negativity around them.

university rector   November 19th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

John A

your lie that Zionism is racism again proves that you are nothing but a low life antisemitic a**hole

miriam   November 20th, 2009 11:28 am ET


Israeli and Palestinian children do play together in the zoo in Jerusalem, in some schools and in other situations.

Hope   November 20th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

Dear CNN moderators..

By allowing flilipe's and rector's abusive offensive diabolic comments to be posted, you are successfully tuning off and alienating otherwise civil bloggers.

Filipe   November 22nd, 2009 2:09 pm ET


Are you the appointed voice of civil bloggers ????

How dare you pretend to speak and represent others.

And you are certainly not to be included in the category of people who claim civility !!!

Certainly not with your repeated blithering of racist hatred and bigoted rants and calls for the "pasty white round faced babushkas", Jews of Israel, to leave their country and ancient ancestral homeland and go back to Europe and Russia !!!!!

Give me a break !!!!

John A   November 22nd, 2009 2:43 pm ET

Hope Israels position is morally indefensible, so obviously Rector and Filipe want to turn off thought and interest in the middle east by uploading diabolic and utterly untrue comments.

But its good to see more people joining the debate and more people recognizing how improper Israels policies are in the Middle East

Filipe   November 22nd, 2009 5:16 pm ET

John A Shame,

Try to be specific.

Exactly what "utterly untrue commentd" have I uploaded ???

Ah ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!

I'm sure you'll ignore this simple question also !!!

Hope   November 22nd, 2009 5:55 pm ET

miriam..Quite honesty, it is such a great article I think it should be circulated.

Zionism as a Racist ideology–Kathleen and Bill Christison

"When you are on the ground in Palestine, you can see Zionism physically imprinted on the landscape. Not only can you see that there are settlements, built on land confiscated from Palestinians, where Palestinians may not live. Not only can you see roads in the occupied territories, again built on land taken from Palestinians, where Palestinians may not drive."

"Not only can you observe that water in the occupied territories is allocated, by Israeli governmental authorities, so inequitably that Israeli settlers are allocated five times the amount per capita as are Palestinians and, in periods of drought, Palestinians stand in line for drinking water while Israeli settlements enjoy lush gardens and swimming pools. Not only can you stand and watch as Israeli bulldozers flatten Palestinian olive groves and other agricultural land, destroy Palestinian wells, and demolish Palestinian homes to make way for the separation wall that Israel is constructing across the length and breadth of the West Bank. The wall fences off Palestinians from Israelis, supposedly to provide greater security for Israelis but in fact in order to cage Palestinians, to define a border for Israel that will exclude a maximum number of Palestinians."

miriam   November 22nd, 2009 8:12 pm ET

John A,

Israel and its position are absolutely defensible, morally and existentially.
If you prefer to believe lies, then you'd find it hard to understand the truth.

University rector   November 23rd, 2009 11:03 am ET

Dear CNN moderators

Thank you for not censoring Hope

How would we have otherwise proven that the Palestinians migrated from the Arab peninsula, as shown in a link Hope posted.

Thus Hope herself has confirmed what we say all along: The Palestinians have no claim whatsoever to Israel and they should be thankful that Israel agrees to to the two state solution.

Thank you CNN moderators.

Thank you Hope.

John A   November 23rd, 2009 2:04 pm ET

Filipe you claim to be honest, but these blog pages record a history of your pro Israeli lies.
i.e. Your racist claim that Jewish people have a unique DNA.
Your claim that America could not block Israels appearance in front of the International criminal court.
Your claim that there is evidence that ancient Jews were exiled by the Romans (months later you still have not provided any recorded and historical proof)
So Filipe should we call you Fi-lie from now on?

miriam   November 23rd, 2009 2:31 pm ET


They are unashamedly anti-semitic and admit it.
That is their reason for their anti-zionism.

There is no further proof for the connection between the two.

Hope   November 23rd, 2009 3:21 pm ET

rector, You are welcome!

–"The Negev Bedouin (Arabic: بدو النقب‎,) are traditionally pastoral semi-nomadic Arab tribes indigenous to the Negev region in Israel, who hold close ties to the Bedouin of the Sinai Peninsula."

–"In the strictest sense, the Negev Bedouin are defined today as Arab nomads, who live by rearing livestock in the deserts of southern Israel."

–"As of 1951, the United Nations reported the expulsion of about 7,000 Negev Bedouin into neighbouring Jordan, the Gaza Strip and the Sinai."

–"Following the removal of the Bedouin from most of the Negev, Israeli erased the traditional Bedouin place names from official maps and actively discouraged their administrative use, replacing them with new Hebrew place names."

university rector   November 23rd, 2009 7:14 pm ET

Here is Hope's authority, a deluded ex-CIA agent speaking out on Al- Jazeera, of alI places!!!


here is what the lunatic says about 9/11:

In Christison's recent article, Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11, he afforded credibility to the notion that "significant parts" of the official 9/11 story were false and after careful research he concluded that the twin towers and building 7, "were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings."

Christison went further on The Alex Jones Show, agreeing that the attacks being an inside job was the "most likely

Filipe   November 23rd, 2009 9:06 pm ET

Quite an odd perspective Hope has about the separation wall. She refers to it as "caging in the Palestinians!! How strange !!! If I;m not mistaken, the wall is between Israel and the West bank! Am I not correct??? Well then, how does this "cage in the Palestinians?? It appears to me that the Wall only prohibits the Palestinians from entering Israel !!! Is there something wrong with that??? How is this any different than the separation wall being built between the US and Mexico???

Is the real issue being voiced by Holpe one of hate, spite and jealousy that Israel in fact is sovereign nation with the right to control and monitor her border???

This seems to be no different than the basic rights of any other sovereign nation.

Please explain how this "wall" cages in the Palestinians??? Is it because they don't have the freedom to travel to Jordan ??? Hmmm!!! Funny how the Arabs in Jordan don't want the Palestinians there either !!! You know, similar to the lame a$$ claim about the Gaza " prison"-- can't leave to go to Egypt, but the whining and crying is all about the fact that Israel won't provide free and unfettered access to Israeli sovereign territory. Never mind the fact that Israel doesn't want the Hamasnicks in Israel!! Imagine that !!!

Filipe   November 23rd, 2009 10:02 pm ET

John A Shame,

You were asked earlier in the blog-- and you failed to respond-- exactly who and what is this "International Security Council" that is responsible for creating "international law" that you speak about ???

If you misspoke- and meant the UN Security Council-that's OK, just say so.

But if there is some newly create International Security Council, empowered to create law for all the sovereign nations of the world-- please share this with the rest of us-- it's not been broadcast on any MSM or alternative media source that I can find!

Not even on Wiki!!!-- the all knowing, ever truthful, beyond reproach, never to be doubted, one and only source of all information that is good and great!!!!!

How could Wiki have missed the creation of such an all powerful, prestigious and world renowned legislative and judicial body, responsible for the laws governing our great planet???

Bur if you just screwed up and meant say the UNSC-that's OK–just say so.

If that's the case, and you are under the impression that they create International Law-then, once again you're extremely mistaken.

The UNSC does not and has no authority to create or legislate any International Laws!!

If you disagree- you might take the time to explain yourself !!

Otherwise I'll just consider your comment one more example your incompetent dithering with no substantive support of any kind!

Filipe   November 24th, 2009 11:11 pm ET

John A Shame,

How confused you are !!!!!!!!

Exactly how is it you think the almighty US has the power to thwart prosecution of any individual in an International court ???

But while you're stuttering and stammering about that nonsense-- Please explain how it is you think that "Israel" can be prosecuted in any international court of law????

We have this discussion several times !!!! But apparently you're too ignorant to understand--

The ICC can only prosecute "individuals" they can't prosecute "states" !!!!

So how is it that you think I would even make such a lame remark as –"America could not block Israels appearance in front of the International criminal court." ??

If you had any sense at all you'd be able to understand simple issue!

DNA-- do you actually not believe that people and groups of people cannot be linked through DNA ???

Hmmmm!!!! Interesting !!!! Got news for you there John Boy !!!! You're wrong.

But your blithering about me making a claim that Jews have unique DNA is your own imagination swirling around inside your tiny little head !!! I"ve never said it--you've simply made your own translation of something I've posted.

This a basic problem you have with your lack of skills in comprehension of the English language-- you feel the need to translate what others say into something that you want to hear-but not what is actually said !!

You need to work on improving yourself in this area.

Even I, whose first language is not English- can understand quite readily-things you appear to have the utmost difficulty with.

And apparently you've forgotten or had another of your memory lapses-let me refresh your memory-–

The proof you requested of "forced Jewish exodus from Israel" was provided to you on several instances. Since you seem to be having difficulties with your cognitive skills, I'll help you out one more time on this one!

You can choose to read the evidence or not- that's strictly up to you.
You can choose to believe the evidence or not- again, that's strictly up to you.

But, you need not repeat your false claims and lies-- "that I failed to to provide any proof or evidence" !!!

Your choosing not to read it or accept it does not equate to my failure to present it !!!

Another example of your basic lack of comprehension of the English language

Here it is-it's quite simple. All you need to do is go to Google-type in the words "forced Jewish exodus from Israel" -hit the "enter" key !!!!

You will be presented with ONE MILLION SIX HUNDRED SEVENTY THOUSAND links to related sites and articles which discuss this subject !!!

Happy reading there John A Shame !!!

Stop back and harass those who support Israel after you get done reading the proof you asked about.

But, once again---please explain to me exactly what "utterly untrue comments" that I've uploaded???

You latest lame attempt has fallen way short of supporting your accusations!!

Angel   November 25th, 2009 10:40 am ET

Filipe your lies have been demonstrated on a daily basis. If you want to argue about this, then good for you.

The real question is why does Filipe feel the need to fill this blog page with total BS? What’s his aim? What does he achieve and how does he help find solutions?

I agree with Ari when he wrote, “It is entirely depressing to read the responses to this blog post".It seems John A and Filipe think this blog page is their venue to argue.

In an adult world we can all recognise both Palestinians and Israelis have a claim to the land. Both have rights and both parties should be respected. With this in mind what adult minded solutions would Filipe propose to bring a fair and lasting peace to the Middle East?

Filipe   November 25th, 2009 1:16 pm ET


Welcome-- but your accusations of daily lies should be specific.

Accusations are nothing more than silly rants if they are not specific and have substance to them!!!

Exactly what is it you believe to be a lie ??

You appear to have taken on the same baseless accusatory stance as John A Shame-- all he can do is spout out that those he doesn't agree with are lying-– but he can never provide any specific example and basis by which to make such accusations.

Welcome to the John A Shame Club of Baseless Accusers !!!

You're membership has been accepted !!

Angel   November 25th, 2009 5:51 pm ET

As I said Filipe if you want to argue about this, then good for you.

But may I please repeat the question as you failed to answer (as usual)

In an adult world we can all recognise both Palestinians and Israelis have a claim to the land. Both have rights and both parties should be respected. With this in mind what adult minded solutions would Filipe propose to bring a fair and lasting peace to the Middle East?

Filipe   November 26th, 2009 1:30 pm ET


It appears you fail to understand the obvious.

You ask what does it take to bring lasting peace to the ME??

Good question !!!!

How about this for starters"

1)First and foremost-before anything else can happen-- The Palestinians need to resolve their internal leadership issues and decide who it is that represents them, who is authorized to speak for them, who is authorized to run their government institutions and social programs.

Until this reconciliation is made-nothing with respect to the situation of the Palestinians has a hope of changing.

2) Muslims need to stop killing other Muslims because they don't follow the "correct" form of Islam. If the Muslim communities cannot live with one another and accept their varied views of Islam- there will never be peace in the ME

3) After the Palestinians have settled their internal issues- they need to agree to negotiating the final status issues with Israel. Israel has once again-reconfirmed their willingness to restart negotiations. But again today, Hamas, Fatah, and the rest of the pack have all rejected the offer. So–it appears the ball is squarely in the Palestinians court-they need to decide if they are willing to play ball !!!

4) the rest of the Arab world needs to come to grips with reality and accept the fact that Israel is fully recognized sovereign state of the modern world and respect her presence.

But it's quite clear--nothing will change until the Palestinians learn to live and agree amongst themselves-nothing!

But Angel-– since you appear to be a brand new participant on the blog-– I'll overlook the fact that you haven't seen these exact comments posted by me in the past !!!!

Angel   November 26th, 2009 8:33 pm ET

Thanks for finally answering the question Filipe.

I agree Hamas needs to reconcile with Fatah. But you must also know that Israel has influenced and manipulated Palestinian politics. When Fatah played the leading role, Israel supported and even helped arm Hamas. This was done to cause division. When Hamas took the leading role, Israel then supported Fatah. Israel plays divide and rule because they don't want a peace settlement.

But I agree with you Fatah and Hamas have played into the manipulative Israeli hands and they should resolve this with unity. You must also agree that the Palestinian people have had little help to resolve their problems as all in the region knows that Israel is supported by America. America does not even need to use its military, it can use its economy as a weapon.

Most EU countries support Palestine and are outraged with Israel (especially the Gaza war). But the EU does not speak out as it is afraid of losing trade relations with America. So Filipe if you are rational you must be able to understand that Palestinians have been placed in a terrible position and this suites Israels expansion plans.

University rector   November 29th, 2009 7:49 am ET

"Most EU countries support Palestine"

yeah, right, like Merkel, Berlusconi and Sarkozy.

get it in your head, there is no state called Palestine and there never was.

The Palestinians have refused the outstreched hand of numerous Israeli leaders, they never failed to destroy any chance for peace.

All that they mouth is israel must do this and Israel must do that. If they decide the outcome of any negotiations in advance, there is nothing to negotiate.

Again now they refuse to negotiate. Same with Assad.

so Angel, be an angel and tell your friends that negotiations means give and take. so far the pals are only willing to take.

miriam   November 29th, 2009 8:55 am ET


You have a very simplistic view of Palestinian politics.

Hamas was created as a supposedly charitable and religious group as a result of the religious freedoms the Israelis granted the Gazans after 1967 in good-will. It was believed that they were involved in Koran study and not involved in anti-Israel Palestinian politics.
Israel was fighting the terrorist PLO at the time and it only became apparent after Hamas revealed its desire to fight the PLO aswell, that they were becoming increasingly militant and competing with the PLO for Palestinian domination and subsequently destruction of Israel.

The Palestinians have had loads of help from the US, EU and others to help them overcome their difficulties however this has been countered by an equivalent amount of support from Arabs, Muslims and the UNRWA who have put the destruction of Israel as the more important priority, to the detriment of Palestinian development.

This is especially obvious with the disinformation that has been diseminated wrt the war in Gaza, aimed at demonizing and delegitimizing Israel while encouraging Hamas and their terrorism and their suppression of the people of Gaza.

Filipe   November 29th, 2009 11:40 am ET


Get real, the Palestinians are simply incompetent, dysfunctional and totally incapable of building the government and social infrastructure needed in order to sustain their desired goal of statehood.

And you want to blame in someone else !!!

You parrot the sounds of the Palestinians-- someone else is always to blame !!

And you claim they get no outside assistance !!!! What a joke !!!!

Who do you think feeds these people ???
Who do you think pays for the fuel to run the power plant in Gaza?
And UNRWA , which was created specifically to tend to the humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people-and no one else-– is larger than the entire UNHRC which is charged with supporting refugees everywhere where else on the entire planet !!

i guess you're not aware that the Palestinians receive more humanitarian aid and assistance per capita than any other single group of refugees in the entire world-- check it out though the UN–they are very clear on this. !!!

So, you need not stand on your soap box and declare the plight of he Palestinians to be the result of anything other than their own ignorance, incompetence, greed, hatred and history of promoting radical violence.

Until the Palestinians can show the world they can live with themselves in peace and unity- they're doomed to to live as they currently do or maybe even recede further into the abyss!

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