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August 23, 2010
Posted: 836 GMT

By Kevin Flower

"We are coming to talks from a real desire to achieve a peace agreement between the two peoples."

So pledged the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to his cabinet Sunday after agreeing earlier in the week to participate in direct peace negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.

"I know that there is a considerable skepticism after 17 years having passed since the beginning of the Oslo process." he said. "It is possible to understand why this doubtfulness exists. We are seeking to surprise the critics and the skeptics"

If this latest round of negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians delivers an agreement within a year as proposed those critics and skeptics will not only be surprised - they will likely be stunned beyond belief. It is, of course, easy to wager against the prospects of such talks; 60 years of history is on the side of the naysayers. But as wonderful as it would be to say that this time will be different it is difficult seeing an end to the current state of deadlock.

Despite the time, money and careers invested in the "peace process" there is very little in this latest diplomatic initiative to offer hope that these talks will not come to the same ignominious end of peace talks past. Remember Madrid? Oslo? Wye River? Annapolis? 

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John A   August 23rd, 2010 10:37 am ET

Israel wants to secure popular American support to bomb Iran, attack another neighbor and drag America into another war on Muslims. To gain popular American support for yet another war, Israel must now suggest that it wants peace in the middle east. After the Gaza war (where Israel killed 1400 civilians) and the flotilla massacre (where Israel killed aid workers), Israel must work the American media to pretend that it has peaceful intentions. After this bit of theater, Israel hopes more Americans will be ready to die in a war with Iran.

Israel has no intentions to allow fair and productive talks in the middle east. Israel intends to continue to wipe Palestine of the map. This has been Israels intent since 1947, the year the illegitimate Jewish state was born.

If Israel wanted peace it could simply declare that it no longer desired to be a criminal state and withdraw from its illegal military occupation. Israel could even comply with UN resolutions and respect the Geneva convention. If it really wanted to show good will, Israel could even abandon its status as the unique rogue nuclear power in the middle east and allow for weapon inspections. But obviously Israel will not take any actions for peace. Israel simply spins the US media to keep Americans paying for Israel, keep Americans paying for Israels illegal wars and keep Americans paying for Israels illegal military expansion.

America has always been full of race hate and violence. America has always followed Israels "Pied Piper" of race hate on muslims. The only thing that will stop Israel seducing Americans into more wars and death will be the economy. Can America afford to support the criminal state of Israel???

Filipe   August 24th, 2010 12:27 pm ET

Wow...didn´t realize that muslims were a "race". !!!! I always thought that muslims were followers of the Islamic faith-nothing more than a religious group.

But I guess some people are so full of hate they make any excuse thaey can dream up to call other people "racists".

John A needs to wake up and accept the fact that there are some groups of people who will never go away.

And since he seems to have such hatred for the American people and the US--maybe he should pack up his dumply little @ss and move to a location where he feels more comfortable with the local people and there political ans social views.

Smith in Oregon   August 24th, 2010 10:39 pm ET

If Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu wants to surprise the billions of skeptics and critics in America and around the entire world, He'll sign the damn Peace Treaty between Israel and Palestine and stop telling America, Middle East neighbors and the world that Israel is going to bomb Iran every other day of the week.

Hundreds of Americans are dieing in the Middle East Netanyahu, sign the damn Peace Treaty and help save American lives instead of constantly placing American lives at risk every time you are in office.

Ruth   August 25th, 2010 12:49 pm ET

Filipe, in Israel you could apply for a disability allowance. Lame views and deficient thinking should make you eligible for the total tool allowance. You might even get elected!

Yes, the Zionist dogs are warlike. How many times have got to spell out that they are against life and peace? They even call their nature “mad dog Israel”.

Now we have this Zionist state official telling you that Israel is preparing for war. Israel had a war against the Palestinians of Gaza that amounted to a series of war crimes and atrocities. Before then, the destroyed the Lebanon, now it seems they want to bleed another nation.

Israel has nuclear weapons and is armed to the teeth by the US; who is going to attack It.

Israel simply wants to torture the Semitic peoples of the Middle East and the US is using it to render the ME unstable and controllable for the CIA.

Ruth   August 25th, 2010 12:53 pm ET

John A, Israel is the true enemy on humanity. Israel is a war lover who believes it takes war to have peace.

John A   August 25th, 2010 1:08 pm ET

Filipe you have returned to the blog in the same state you left off. i.e. no ideas, no contribution to the debate, no logic and no rational. Your inbreed communication skills failed to make a single point other than you don't like me. What has your personal dislike of me got to do with the middle east?

Why do CNN moderators always allow pro Israeli propaganda merchants to empty the Website of debate and turn each blog page into personal insults. I appreciate this demonstrates Israeli supporters "anti peace state of mind", but it is also extremely retarded and tiresome.

I request if Filipe has no comments relevant to the debate, that the CNN moderators ban his odorous nature from the blog. Free speech relates to issues and a freedom to constantly make childish retarded insults. I would explain this to Filipe, but obviously there are not enough sparks in his mind to grasp the point. Therefore the CNN moderators should step in.

Also its curious that CNN freely allows Israeli supporters to express their utter ignorance through insults, but replies to insults rarely are allowed. Why is that?? Why must the American public be so controlled through media? America pretends it brings democracy to the world, yet American politics is owned by Goldman Sachs and the media is little more the a Zionist mouth piece. First America should build its own democracy before it looks at others? With real democratic debate and a real free media, there wouldn't be so many Filipes to infest the world with ignorance.

John A   August 25th, 2010 2:07 pm ET

I request if Filipe has no comments relevant to the debate, that the CNN moderators ban his odorous nature from the blog. Free speech relates to issues and NOT the freedom to constantly make childish retarded insults. I would explain this to Filipe, but obviously there are not enough sparks in his mind to grasp the point. Therefore the CNN moderators should step in.

Filipe   August 25th, 2010 2:40 pm ET

John A,

Haaaaaaaa!!!

Step back listen to your ranting and hatred and name calling!!!!

Too bad you can't accept it when someone points it out to you.

You need to get over it --or, like I said, move you hopelessly unhappy self to a place where you feel more comfortable with your neighbors. Stop your whinning and complaining. It's really tired!

proud zionist   August 25th, 2010 8:37 pm ET

smith

"Hundreds of Americans are dieing in the Middle East Netanyahu, sign the damn Peace Treaty and help save American lives instead of constantly placing American lives at risk every time you are in office"

name one, or shut up forever, ignoramus

proud zionist   August 25th, 2010 8:38 pm ET

johnny baby

nobody is more ignorant about the middle east than you, get it baby?

miriam   August 26th, 2010 9:49 am ET

John A,

You display such blatant psychological projectionism it is strange Ruth isn't issuing her medical referals to you!

proud zionist   August 26th, 2010 11:55 am ET

Johnny baby, hopeless and Oregon,

here is a typical example of Arab terror (from the Guardian, a paper not friendly to zionism, and many other sources, google it if you do not believe me)

A Saudi couple tortured their Sri Lankan maid by hammering 24 nails into her hands, legs and forehead, after she complained of a too heavy workload, officials said today.

Nearly 2 million Sri Lankans sought employment overseas last year and around 1.4 million, mostly maids, were employed in the Middle East. Many have complained of physical abuse or harassment. LT Ariyawathi, a 49-year old mother of three, returned home on Friday after five months in Saudi Arabia.

Her family only realised what had happened to her when she complained of pain and they took her to see the doctor, Foreign Employment Bureau officials said.

"The landlord and the wife of the landlord hammered 24 nails into her when she complained of the heavy workload," Kalyana Priya Ramanayake, media secretary of the Foreign Employment Bureau, said.

proud zionist   August 26th, 2010 11:59 am ET

to all my friends the nitwit israel bashers (Johnny baby, Hopeless and Smith in particular), here are the facts:

UN confirms tree at center of deadly Israeli-Lebanon clash was in Israeli territory
UN confirms tree in clash on Israeli land
Associated Press | Aug 25, 2010 4:38 PM CDT

John A   August 26th, 2010 1:03 pm ET

Nice to see Filipe Miriam and Proud Zionist have all returned together after the August holidays. Funny how they all appear together and disappear together at the same time.

Fred Brun   August 26th, 2010 5:04 pm ET

This must be some really sick JOKE!

Hope   August 27th, 2010 3:53 am ET

Yes..They are sick and a bit of a joke. All three of them. The 3 Stooges. Cnn allows them to come in here, browse, bitch, insult, name calling, bark and bite those who don't agree with them. It's what they are. It's who they are. Sick. A joke.

proud zionist   August 27th, 2010 9:53 am ET

johnny baby

do you have anything real to say?

relate to facts, like the following and then appologize for your lies about the incident, nitwit:

UN confirms tree at center of deadly Israeli-Lebanon clash was in Israeli territory
UN confirms tree in clash on Israeli land
Associated Press | Aug 25, 2010 4:38 PM CDT

proud zionist   August 27th, 2010 9:53 am ET

Hope-less

do you have anything real to say?

relate to facts, like the following and then appologize for your lies about the incident, nitwit:

UN confirms tree at center of deadly Israeli-Lebanon clash was in Israeli territory
UN confirms tree in clash on Israeli land
Associated Press | Aug 25, 2010 4:38 PM CDT

Elly   August 27th, 2010 10:21 am ET

My guess is that Filipe, Miriam and Proud Zionist are all illegal settlers living on stolen land and too yellow to fight the wars they want to see in the middle east. They want Americans to fight their wars, so they can remain sitting on their fluffy bottoms writing stupid blogs.Thats why they always appear on American news blogs to stir up racial hatred, pollute the Internet with anti Muslim lies and pretend Israel is an ally of America. They are simple minded and low class people. I hope America cuts its ties with the criminal state of Israel.

Abrahem   August 27th, 2010 10:34 am ET

Possibly Filipe, Miriam & Proud Zionist are all members of the same under achieving family. But please dont think all Israelis are like them! Actually it would be anti Semitic and hugely insulting to accuse all Jews as being like Miriam, Filipe and Proud Zionist.

CNN please try harder to prevent radicle and uneducated people such as Filipe and Proud Zionist from pretending to support Israel, as they give all Jews a bad reputation. And God knows Israel really needs to improve its reputation.

Jerusalem   August 27th, 2010 10:56 am ET

I'm probably one of the few people to appear on this blog who actually lives in Israel. Most Israelis want peace, but unfortunately or political system has been hijack by Zionist war thugs.

I think you Americans have the same problem i.e. Bush got elected as a non interventionist and yet he took America to war. Obama got elected to bring the troops home and yet he lets the wars go on and on. How come our supposed leaders no longer respect the wishes of their people?

Its the same for Israelis. Like ordinary Americans most of us don't want war and we will be happy to have peace with 1967 boarders. Unfortunately it does not matter who we vote for, the government will always act like radicle Zionists and keep Israel at war with its neighbors. I think one day Israel may even need a civil war as ordinary Jews rise up to fight the radicle Jews and end the insanity of mad dog Israel as we know it today.

I do think Israel has a right to exist, but not at the expense of all her neighbors. Moderate Israelis really need the help from the west to liberate Israel from war like Zionist crooks who have high jacked our government. Most of them are guilty of promoting war crimes, they are also accused of fraud and even sexual abuse.

Please help Israel to eliminate the corrupt politicians and nasty radicle Muslim hating Zionists from our society.

Smith in Oregon   August 28th, 2010 6:59 am ET

North Korean leader Kim Jong II and his youngest son, Jong-un have traveled into China in Kim Jong II's heavily armored special train where it is rumored he met with Chinese President Hu Jintao on Friday.

The North Korean leader, Kim Jong II had previously spent five days in China this past May with the Chinese president.

Although this newest visit by the reclusive North Korean leader could be seen simply as a introduction of Kim's youngest son, Kim Jong to the Chinese leaders, it could also signal a heightening of tensions and expectations of a possible conflict in lieu of this Tuesday nights prime time scheduled speech to the American nation by President Obama which supposedly focuses on the Afghanistan War and Middle East conflicts.

If the present Korean stand-off went active, it is likely the North Korean leader and his youngest son would chose to be relatively safe in the powerful nearby country of longtime ally, China.

proud zionist   August 29th, 2010 10:40 am ET

Hope-less

you dare accusing me of something you are dooing all the time:

you justify terror, you justify rockets on innocent civilians, you lie, falsify facts and never ever relate to any fact presented. you incite, you bark, you bite.

So lets hear it again, hope-less:

relate to facts, like the following and then appologize for your lies about the incident, nitwit:

UN confirms tree at center of deadly Israeli-Lebanon clash was in Israeli territory
UN confirms tree in clash on Israeli land
Associated Press | Aug 25, 2010 4:38 PM CDT

proud zionist   August 29th, 2010 10:41 am ET

Abrehem

which university did you graduate from, you overeducated pompous nitwit?

Ariely   August 29th, 2010 12:07 pm ET

**** What is Peace ???
Different definition of peace

Arabs:
A temporary agreement that will give them real estate assets lost when they attacked Israel and in return giving only a vage paper with open issues for conflict continuation
-- And later to destroy Israel

Israel:
A long lasting peace for the Jewish state leaving peacefully along the Arab world forever

The Arabs refuse to recognize that Jews are entitled to their sovereign country- Israel.

America can lead the free world to create the conditions for peace.
But peace cannot be imposed by foreign powers.
The only way peace can happen is if Arab leaders take a real peace stand publically and work to this goal in Arab countries and Arab language.

The Arab leaders will stop using the double language
1: The lying language to the infidels in the west media masking their Israel destructions narrative
2; The truth language to the believers in Arabic describing the destroy Israel stage strategy

Reading what Arab leaders say to their people in Arabic, I think we will continue to be disappointed of not achieving peace.

miriam   August 29th, 2010 12:49 pm ET

Jerusalem,

You should know then that there were never any 1967 "borders" and and that the 1949 Armistace Lines endanger the lives of everyone in Jerusalem and central Israel.

preoxboaferem   August 29th, 2010 3:10 pm ET

All can be

Smith in Oregon   September 1st, 2010 6:15 pm ET

After a large Grail missile was recently launched into Israel, Israel responded as it routinely has in the past by carrying out several aerial bombings of Gaza civilian neighborhoods with 500lb pounds. Quite a number of Gaza residents were killed by the bombs, then word came out that the single missile was actually launched many miles away from EGYPT. Israel did not apologize for the terror and lives lost by the aerial bombing and The White House didn't condemn Israel for falsely accusing the Gaza people and then bombing Gaza residents for that Egyptian attack. Why the double standard here?

Smith in Oregon   September 1st, 2010 11:55 pm ET

Maps of the region prior to the 1967 war clearly show the existing boundary's at that time. There are records existing NOW that show those previous maps and previous land boundary's.

Pretending those do not exist is not an opinion, nor is it even remotely factual, it is Zionist non-sense which is often spewed by AIPAC members which illegally spew Pro-Israeli propaganda and operate as foreign agents for Israel while refusing to abide by American and International laws by not registering as foreign agents of Israel.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is a lobbying group that advocates for pro-Israel policies to the Congress and Executive Branch of the United States.

The US Department of Justice has been formally asked to begin regulating the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) as a foreign agent of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. A 392 page legal filing recently presented by a four person IRmep delegation in a two hour meeting with top officials of America's Internal Security Section substantiated the following U.S. Dept. of Justice's case to force AIPAC's immediate registration as a foreign agent of Israel.

AIPAC is a spinoff of an organization already ordered by the DOJ (U.S. Dept. of Justice) to register as an Israeli foreign agent. In November of 1962 the American Zionist Council was ordered by the Attorney General to begin filing disclosures as an Israeli foreign agent under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act.

A mere six weeks later, former AZC employees incorporated the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in Washington, DC, taking over all of the AZC's lobbying activities. The American Zionist Council simply changed it's name to AIPAC and AIPAC did not register as a foreign agent of Israel's government. Countless bloggers and lobbyists working for AIPAC are working as foreign agents of Israel spewing Zionist propaganda and passing valuable information back to Israel.

Espionage related FBI investigations from 1984 thru 2005 reveal AIPAC's ongoing stealth foreign agency activities on behalf of Israel. Declassified FBI files released on the Internet last week reveal that in 1984 AIPAC and the Israeli Ministry of Economics were investigated for jointly obtaining and circulating classified US economic data to obtain favorable trade benefits for Israel.

In 2005 Pentagon Colonel Lawrence Franklin pled guilty and two AIPAC employees were indicted for obtaining and circulating classified US national defense information to Israeli government officials allegedly in the interest of fomenting US action against Iran.


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