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October 20, 2010
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John A   October 21st, 2010 9:36 am ET

Lovely to see Israel offering something of cultural value to the world.

Perhaps whens Israelis revisit their ancient religious texts they will realize man should not bomb his fellow man with phosphorus bombs. Man should not blockade his fellow man with military sieges. Man should not kill aid workers and man should not rob land from his brothers.

It would be fantastic for the world if Israelis returned to the original principles of Judaism. But first they must turn away from the murderous politics of Zionism.

John A   October 21st, 2010 2:13 pm ET

Even Fox news is starting to find it hard to keep Americas "war on terror" spin alive.

But it doesn't matter how many alarming clues are presented to the American public, they just scratch their butts and flip the TV channel.

Watch this video:

Anyone who still believes the anti Muslim war on terror is not manufactured for American interests is nuts.

Investigate 911 and this time lets have an investigation where the members of the investigating committee don't admit their finding were a whitewash.

Filipe   October 23rd, 2010 4:55 pm ET

Wow!!! Amazing !!! John A appears to have acknowleged ancient Hebrew presence in the land of Israel !!!!

Will wonders never cease???

But John A, I fail to understand how any of this article/blog can be related or asociated tothe events of 9/11........ Can you explain the connection please??

miriam   October 23rd, 2010 5:04 pm ET

John A,

Israel, with its history of Jewish, Christian and Muslim culture, has long had much to offer to those in the world who are interested.

It is now able to utilize the advancements in modern technology to share discoveries with those who are unable to visit the many museums and institutions that are home to recovered history.

Religious texts, ancient and modern, along with International Law, customary and conventional, make it very clear that self-defence is absolutely permissible for sovereign national security when the nation's citizens are attacked.

Similarly, it has long been unnacceptable for groups and nations to be the subject of myths, distortions, lies, conspiracy and extraordinary hypocritical accusations spread in an attempt at delegitimization and demonization.

John A   October 24th, 2010 11:23 am ET

Miriam,
As mentioned many times, self defense is fine. Thats exactly why Hamas has the right to defend against Israels military occupation. Only Irsael occupies others land with its military.

You claim Israel captured lands in defensive wars. Others claim Israel provoked those wars to rob land. But either way, the Palestinians have never surrendered and even by your own definition, the Palestinians have every right to attack Israel in self defense.

You often say the Muslims want to take over the world. Thats so perverted, as only Israels military occupies the land of others in the Middle East. And America is in Iraq, Afghanistan and America has military bases in over 100 countries. Facts on the ground dont support your anti muslim rhetoric.

John A   October 24th, 2010 11:36 am ET

Filipe,

I have always recognized Judaism for what it is i.e. a minority religion which was practiced in ancient Egypt, Babylon, Palestine and all over lands of the middle east.

Your error is to confuse a religion with a nation. Lets say Italy and the Vatican are the center of Christianity, then all lands where Christianity is practiced should belong to Italy. In the same way Israel has orchestrated a land grab for Judaism.

ps the 911 comments issue a reminder that all your anti Muslim talk is based on western lies and treachery. This becomes more and more obvious. Now only the cowardly masses don't want to face clearly established facts about their own corrupt western governments.

In a land of free speech wikileaks should be welcomed. If wikileaks reported excellence in western culture, everyone would say they are doing a good job. But instead wikileaks reports truth that western media dares not tell the public, hence wikileaks are under attack.

So Filipe, instead of asking whats 911 got to do with it, you should ask yourself when are you going to have the courage to admit overwhelming proof indicates the west is now the biggest terrorist group?

After all who else has killed over 1 million people in the last decade without due cause? America, drone attacks, false flag terrorism etc...

miriam   October 25th, 2010 7:04 pm ET

John A,

Hamas is the illegitimate ruler in Gaza, after violently overthrowing the PA national unity government established after Hamas's electoral gains. In agreements with Israel, the PA had been established as the interim administrative body governing Gaza.

The original false claims of Israeli "occupation" are further negated by the fact that no state can "occupy" the territory of a self-ruled entity.

Deliberately firing indiscriminate rockets into Israeli civilian areas is not self-defence and is absolutely illegal under international law, real international law, not the artificial type repeated in anti-Israel mantras.

In 1967, while resisting Egypt and Syria intent on destroying the Jewish state before she even included Egyptian occupied Gaza and the Jordan occupied WB, Jordan was reluctant to get involved, but when deceived by the Egyptians and pushed by Iraq, Jordan began bombarding Jewish areas of Jerusalem and towns between the WB and the Mediterranean.

Israel won and the Arabs lost and the Palestinians didn't even exist as a people, only adopting that nomenclature after the war. They have never surrendered because they never fought as a people. The PLO engaged in terrorism on behalf of Arab nations to annihilate pre-1967 Israel, to liberate the land from the Jews, and continued after the war with the same purpose.

Jews are a people as well as a religion. That explains your confusion in the Jews' right to self-determination. They may have been a minority religion after exile dispersed them across the ME, but that didn't remove their status as a people with no desires to establish their state anywhere other than in their homeland.

Israel isn't making-up Moslem claims to world denomination. Islamic radicals openly declare their objectives themselves, including those responsible for 9/11 and their competitors in Iran.

John A   October 26th, 2010 9:48 am ET

Miriam, How little you know.

Adam Gadahn, the “American Taliban,” the lisping, overweight bungler continually calling for the murder of Americans is really named Adam Perlman from a family highly influential in the Anti-Defamation League. The group distributing his threats, SITE Intelligence, contracted to the American government, is run by a former Israel Defense Force member whose father was executed in Iraq as a Mossad terrorist. SITE Intelligence is the source of the Osama bin Laden tapes long proven to be, not only the wrong voice, but to resemble bin Laden so little as to have become a joke.

Gadahn came on the scene when tapes of Osama bin Laden claiming credit for 9/11 failed forensic examination. They were counterfeits. The CIA’s own version had bin Laden denying any involvement.

This was late 2001 and Americans hadn’t been told that the story about Tora Bora, the many stories about Tora Bora, warlords covering for bin Laden, American troops being pulled back at the last minute by presidential order or the Delta Force being betrayed, were all lies. Osama bin Laden, already dying from kidney failure, was murdered by one of his own men on December 14, 2001.

Pakistan’s ISI had informants there, it was leaked to the newspapers and was widely reported. Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto even announced it in an interview with BBC’s David Frost.

With a 9/11 denial “on the books” and bin Laden dead, there would be no invasion of Iraq, no new leader was “in place” to bring out for the American people, no new “boogeyman.”

The very real conspiracy, covering up the sickening truth about 9/11, the treasonous intelligence doctoring leading to the disaster in Iraq and the upcoming years of building a drug empire in Afghanistan, stealing billions in oil from Iraq, the thinly disguised martial law decrees in America and the planned attack on Iran, was threatened unless, somehow, Osama bin Laden could be brought back to life.

Nearly a decade later, Pakistan’s intelligence chief, General Pasha does everything but scream it from rooftops, when he carefully hints to a dull witted ABC interviewer that bin Laden is dead. Journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave of UPI and Washington Times fame, makes it as clear as possible when he says “Bin Laden is as dead as Elvis.” Even CIA director Leon Panetta confirms there is no evidence of bin Laden since “late 2001.”

With bin Laden dead, it all falls apart, Al Qaeda, 9/11, and the continual accusations made against Pakistan. Still, we hear it. Bin Laden touring Afghanistan or as with last weeks report, “living in luxury” in Iran. Next he's living in luxury in Pakistan. Give us a break with this madness!!!!

Not only is bin Laden dead but when he was alive, the BBC confirmed that he had absolutely no terrorist organization of any kind, masterminded no plots, controlled no organizations and had no more involvement on the world stage other than, at one time, helping the CIA raise money to fund refugee organizations during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

miriam   October 26th, 2010 2:05 pm ET

John A, aka Gordon,

Perhaps all that conspiracy rubbish is news to you but it's foul odour has been floating about for years.

Searching for anti-Zionist/Jewish pieces of creative writing to continually copy and paste on this blog, bearing no relevence to the subject matter, is an offence to intellectual debate. At least you could have included the bit about OBL having been found dead and disintegrating in a cave after drifting in the Dead Sea.

Filipe   October 26th, 2010 9:31 pm ET

John A,

There is no confusion here.........You simply fail to comprehend my statement.

Try reading it again.....more slowly this time...... "Wow!!! Amazing !!! John A appears to have acknowleged ancient Hebrew presence in the land of Israel !!!!"

Do you get it ???

But explain to us..... since you claim you are not an American.... how can you possibly speak for wha t they were told in a statement such as ...."This was late 2001 and Americans hadn’t been told that the story about Tora Bora, the many stories about Tora Bora, warlords covering for bin Laden, " HTF would you know what they were told??

John A   October 28th, 2010 2:35 pm ET

Filipe,
I have an advantage over you. I can read!

proud zionist   October 28th, 2010 10:26 pm ET

johnny A baby

you are nothing but an ignorant terrorist who was taught cut and paste from CERTAIN websites by Osama himself

prove me wrong if you can

John A   October 30th, 2010 12:07 am ET

Wow, the three little zionists get the knickers in a big twist when the truth comes out.

Now Im supposed to copy and paste from Osama's website??
Can any body name this Website. Cant imagine America's most wanted has his own server and Website hahahaha

Zionists you are terrified of the truth becoming public knowledge. But don't worry, lame stream media wont tell the public about you. You own lamestream media.

miriam   October 30th, 2010 6:45 pm ET

John A,

You simply copy and paste conspiracy from a "duffer".

John A   October 31st, 2010 10:37 pm ET

Now Miriam thinks undisputable facts (which neither she or Proud ZZZZ can dispute) are copied from a "Duffer" . Duffer's are invisible dwarves in the Chronicles of Narnia.

Seems to me the Zionists have become certifiable.

Miriam, do you think the Chronicles of Narnia are anti semitic??

hahahahahahaha

miriam   November 1st, 2010 1:33 pm ET

John A,

It seems you are unaware whose myths you plagiarize.

Gordon Duff, the conspiracist, could well collect his works into a series of best-selling myths and fantasy.

As his name implies, he manipulates the truth, stupidly and inefficiently and if you choose to copy and paste the works of a magician, you can go and live under his spell at the ends of the ocean or the bottom of the Dead Sea.

Filipe   November 1st, 2010 3:52 pm ET

John A,

You may think you can read, but you certainly fail to comprehend!!

John A   November 3rd, 2010 7:31 pm ET

Great come back Filipe, you must be so proud of your sparkling play of words.

And I'm pleased you have saved yourself the embarrassment of entering into one of your baseless debates. Miriam could learn from you.

Filipe   November 5th, 2010 5:23 pm ET

John A,

Great job once again........... I'd roll over and fall off my chair if you were to ever answer a single question put to you!!!!!!!!

But I'll re-post it-–just to see what happens

............................................

"There is no confusion here.........You simply fail to comprehend my statement.

Try reading it again.....more slowly this time...... "Wow!!! Amazing !!! John A appears to have acknowleged ancient Hebrew presence in the land of Israel !!!!"

Do you get it ???

But explain to us..... since you claim you are not an American.... how can you possibly speak for wha t they were told in a statement such as ...."This was late 2001 and Americans hadn’t been told that the story about Tora Bora, the many stories about Tora Bora, warlords covering for bin Laden, " HTF would you know what they were told??"

Or do you still not get it ??

John A   November 8th, 2010 7:41 pm ET

Filipe sorry for treating you like a brain damaged chimpanzee, but you must admit.....

Number one, I have always said Jews were a minority religion in the middle east. In ancient times until today, that hasn't changed. Jews having a minority presence in the area, does not qualify the area as Jewish.

I don't know how to make it simpler for you to understand, I'm not a therapist.

Two, I am not American but travel frequently and pay attention to many writers and journalists from all sides. As said before, if you can read you can learn. But then again Filipe kind of kills the learning theory.

Is it really soooooo hard for you to understand???????

As for Tora Bora, check when the first Tora Bora stories broke. The records are not hidden or top secret.

Poor Filipe, I hope your mum loves you?

Filipe   November 11th, 2010 1:45 pm ET

John A,

Thanks for acknowlegding the fact that the Jewish people have always ha presence in the land of Israel !!!

Neither I nor anyone else ever claimed that they were a majority population in the ME. That must be something that grew out of your misinterpretation of phrases and sentences in the English language.

Amazing !!!!

But I'm glad to hear you are so well versed on the details of what the American public wqas told and when they were told it. I'm sure that is difficult for to accomplish when you're not actually there.

miriam   November 15th, 2010 12:21 pm ET

John A,

Jewish nationalism has nothing to do with numbers or regional domination.

Those factors are the obsession of others in the ME.

Jewish nationalism and statehood is a legitimate right as it has been for over 3000 years.


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