Reopening the country: Dr. Sanjay Gupta's coronavirus podcast for April 20

(CNN)What will it take, realistically, to re-open the country? Will we be able to return to normal in the near future? CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta speaks with former CDC Director, Dr. Tom Frieden about "boxing in" Covid-19.

You can listen on your favorite podcast app or read the transcript below.
Listener voice memo: Hi Dr. Gupta, there have been somewhat mixed signals on the process of reopening the country. I know there needs to be a wide emphasis on testing when that happens. But can you walk us through what the process should look like?
    Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Last week, the White House coronavirus task force announced new guidelines for opening up the country.
    The plan is to do it in three phases that would gradually lift restrictions on businesses.
    In the first phase, places like gyms, movie theaters, and restaurants will be allowed to reopen, as long as they follow strict social distancing protocols.
    The second would allow schools and bars to reopen with reduced occupancy. And people can start taking trips for nonessential travel.
    And in the final stage, vulnerable individuals no longer would have to stay home, as long as they continue social distancing measures. And employers could allow employees to return to work. That might involve regular testing and daily screening.
    These guidelines are just that -- they lay out a path to getting back to normal life. But exactly when and how states decide to follow them is up to state and local officials. So where do we go from here? And when and how will we know the time is right?
    I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent, and this is "Coronavirus: Fact vs. Fiction."
    Dr. Gupta: First, let's take a look at what some other countries have already done -- and what that might mean for us here in the US.
    We spoke to an English teacher in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak is believed to have started.
    Doug Perez: My name is Doug Perez. Obviously, I've lived in Wuhan through the outbreak. I live here with my dog and my girlfriend.