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Dueling Rallies Tonight in Battleground States; Questions Over Giuliani's Story In FBI's Clinton Case; Trump Speaking Now In PA. Aired 8-9p ET
Aired November 4, 2016 - 20:00 ET
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[20:00:08] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. Thanks for joining us.
Some big new developments going into the final weekend before Election Day, including a court ruling, one of three today that could effect who votes. As for the candidates, they are holding dueling events in battleground states and battlefield is shifting beneath their feet.
Donald Trump is in Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton in Ohio. President Obama in North Carolina. Bill Clinton in Colorado, one state where the polls are tightening or even tied. New Hampshire is another, now a toss up and it could be crucial.
Plenty to cover in the two hours ahead starting with CNN's Sara Murray covering the Trump campaign in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Sara, the more subdued Trump we've seen in the last few days. What are your sources telling you about that? Is the campaign hoping he stays on message between now and Tuesday? Is the plan to just avoid any mistakes?
SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Well, yes, Anderson. I don't know if it is so much subdue, it's just trying to, his advisors trying to assure him. Him trying to assure himself he needs to stay on message.
They want their final push to be about Hillary Clinton being a corrupt politician. That's the message they want to drive home. They don't want these last couple of days to be about Donald Trump being a loose canon. That is why you are continuing to see the teleprompters. That's why you saw him remind himself the other day on the stump to stick to what his talking points were.
And that's so important when we're talking about states like Pennsylvania where he's at tonight. This is a state that appears out of his reach just a couple of weeks ago. And it's a state with no early voting. So, he can make a pitch to voters here tonight and try to get them to turn out on November 8th.
COOPER: You've also been speaking to a lot of Republicans, I know, across different battleground states. Are they confident Trump can pull out a victory on Tuesday?
MURRAY: Anderson, you would think anyway Republican operatives would be overjoyed by the momentum that Donald Trump has got at his back by what's going on with the FBI, the tightening we're seeing in the polls, but I talked to operatives in more than half a dozen battleground states who are telling me they are just not convinced that Donald Trump has what he needs to get there. They still think the math is very hard, that the path is very steep.
The one thing they do say, though, is, look, this is a candidate who has defied expectations for the nearly year and a half he has been running for president. And so, they are saying, look, you know, maybe he could surprise us on Election Day.
COOPER: All right. We'll see. Sara Murray, thanks very much.
Now, the Clinton campaign and their star-studded event tonight in Cleveland. CNN's Brianna Keilar is there for us.
So, Hillary Clinton turning up the heat on Donald Trump today as she begins her final pitch to voters. What did she talk about?
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Earlier today, Anderson, in Pennsylvania, targeting an economic message for women but in Michigan and here in Ohio, where she's in the air right now heading to Cleveland, she's trying to attract young African American voters. They have not really come round to Hillary Clinton certainly the way they came round for Barack Obama back in 2012. We saw in the primaries that they were more likely to split with their parents and their grandparents who trended towards Hillary Clinton. And a lot of younger black voters went for Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton today talking about her ambitious criminal justice reform plan, but her support for her husband's crime bill in the nineties still very much a liability for her. So, this is the outstanding question, Anderson, are young African Americans really going to show up for Hillary Clinton? And I'll tell you, I've been talking to people here at the Wolstein Center where they are awaiting Jay-z and the big question isn't who's going to win on Tuesday. That's not what they're talking about. They want to know if Beyonce is showing up tonight.
COOPER: Bill Clinton was also out in the campaign, had some interesting comments on Melania Trump speech yesterday. What did he say?
KEILAR: That's right. He joked about Melania Trump yesterday. You know, she was speaking on behalf of her husband, vouching for him. But she also was railing against cyber bullying, even though of course her husband is so abusive on social media and Bill Clinton lashed on to that.
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BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: Yesterday, I never felt so bad for anybody in my life as I did for his wife going out giving a speech, saying, oh, cyber bullying was a terrible thing. I thought, yeah, especially if it's done at 3:00 in the morning against a former Miss Universe by a guy running for president. (END VIDEO CLIP)
KIELAR: Now, women voters have been trending away from Donald Trump are the reason Melania Trump was out vouching for her husband. That is an area, Anderson, that the Clinton campaign does not want to see, as you know.
COOPER: Brianna Keilar -- Brianna, thanks very much.
As we mentioned at the top, the CNN battleground map is changing. CNN "INSIDE POLITICS" anchor John King has more now on what's behind it by the numbers.
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JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, significant changes to our CNN electoral map as we head into the final weekend. Our count right now, Clinton 268, Trump 204.
[20:05:02] Most important, that 268 is below the finish line. It takes 270 to win. We had her at 272 yesterday. Let me explain the big changes.
For starters, Trump gains. He gains Utah. He gains Ohio. And he gains Maine's second congressional districts. Maine, one of those states that splits its electoral votes by congressional district. We have moved this, this, and that from toss up to lean Republican. Most significant, of course, the big battleground state of Ohio in the Midwest.
That brings Donald Trump up to 204. Why is Hillary Clinton down? Below 270, from 272 to 268, because we've taken New Hampshire's four. We had them leaned Democratic yesterday. We have moved them now back to toss up because of polling showing us, that suddenly we have a dead heat race heading into the final weekend in the state of New Hampshire.
So, what does that mean for the state of play? Clinton, of course, still very close to the finish line. Donald Trump needs to be about perfect, plus turn a blue, when you look through the board through the final weekend.
Here is how the Clinton campaign thinks this is going play out. They are very confident based on early voting they will win Nevada. They also believe they are stronger than President Obama was four years ago in Florida and North Carolina. The Clinton campaign believes it can do those three and they think they have a pretty good chance of getting New Hampshire as well.
They're still competitive in Arizona. I'm going to leave that off the board now and even say Arizona sticks with its DNA and goes Republican. If it plays out this way, that's a pretty overwhelming Clinton victory, 322 to 215, with that one congressional district in Nebraska. That's still to be determined. That's how the Clinton campaign sees it playing out. What does Donald Trump have do to get this? He's got to find a way to
get Nevada. He has to keep that Arizona. He has to say, no way, I'm taking Florida. He must take North Carolina as well. Those are mandatory.
If Trump gets New Hampshire, that gets 268. And if the district here went Clinton's way, it would be 269-269. Is that likely to happen? Of course not. But is it possible? That is one of the things you look at heading into the final weekend.
But if you want to come back to the main map and just take the more rational perspective. If you look at it, Clinton is close to the finish line. She leads in one, two and she believes three of the states here, even though the polling is dicey there. So you have to say advantage Clinton. Trump in the hunt. Little closer heading into the final weekend than anybody would have thought, say, ten days -- Anderson.
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COOPER: John King, thanks very much. Let's bring in the panel.
CNN political analyst and Clinton biographer, Carl Bernstein, who was once portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in meeting with the source at a rooftop restaurant about three blocks from here. Also, CNN senior political commentator, former top Obama advisor and happy Cubs fan, David Axelrod, CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash.
Plus, on -- to my left, Kayleigh McEnany, Trump supporter. And also, Angela Rye, who is obviously a Clinton supporter.
I appreciate all of you being here.
DAVID AXELROD, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: And everybody is appropriately dressed.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: We are.
ANGELA RYE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: This is actually indigo.
COOPER: Dana, I mean, New Hampshire, no longer clear which way it's going to go.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: It really is remarkable how the polls have been tightening. In a lot of states that Democrats felt really comfortable and frankly Republicans thought were out of reach. New Hampshire is one. Michigan is another. New Hampshire is probably more gettable than Michigan, just because to use John's term, the DNA of the state is different. New Hampshire has gone back and forth more in recent history than Michigan.
But it does kind of go to the fundamental that in these closing days, Donald Trump seems to be the one with the momentum, as opposed to Hillary Clinton. So, I think at the end of the day, although we were talking about last night, the Republicans ground operation has stepped up dramatically, it's still teams like it is going to be big picture a test between organization and momentum, and energy and enthusiasm.
COOPER: And the governor of New Hampshire John Sununu was speaking today for Donald Trump and made a headline which I don't think he's made in decades, but let's play that.
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JOHN SUNUNU, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Playing a little off what Bob Smith said, his imitation of Bill Clinton and talking about Hillary. Do you think Bill was referring to Hillary when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman"?
(LAUGHTER)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: David Axelrod?
AXELROD: Hilarious.
You know, I will say this -- he may not have made headlines in a long time, but when he was making headlines, it was often by saying the wrong thing. And he hasn't lost his touch. I don't care that helps. That doesn't help Donald Trump so that is not what you want your surrogates out there doing.
But let me just say about the race overall. I think this race has been tightening for some time. I think the distance from that "Access Hollywood" tape plus the end of the debates which were difficult for Donald Trump and the way he reacted to them was difficult has been good for him because he's been a much more disciplined candidate.
He made a lot of the Obamacare rate story, obviously, the FBI story.
[20:10:01] But I think what's happened is this race has returned to a normal Democrat/Republican race in a closely divided country. And Democrats still have the advantage in such a race. And you see it on that electoral map. So I think Donald Trump is still in the position of having to draw an inside straight between now and Tuesday. And I think it is going to be tough to do.
COOPER: You know, Carl, I mean, it is interesting. Look at the CNN poll of polls. Hillary Clinton's lead has only shrunk by one in the poll of polls she was up six points before the Comey letter. Tonight one week later she's up five points.
Do you think more has been made of the impact of the Comey letter?
CARL BERNSTEIN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No. I think that it was helpful to Donald Trump. And I think that the excitement factor that the Trump campaign has been playing on is part of the real dynamic here. And they are throwing a lot of Hail Marys right now, not the least of which is about all of us up here.
If they -- they know that if they can create enough sense of excitement among all of us and in the press that that has a dynamic of its own. And Sara Murray's piece was so first rate because it brought us back to what the real situation based on her reporting is, that their internals also are showing how difficult this is for Trump to do. And the internals of the Clinton campaign give them a feeling of some real comfort. And at the same time show their nervous, as anybody would be at this point, when there is this dynamic that shows Trump has been creating excitement, gaining ground but still, we're talking about Hail Marys.
COOPER: I mean, Kayleigh, anytime the focus has been on Hillary Clinton, it's generally not good for Hillary Clinton. And any time it's on Donald Trump, it is generally not good for Donald Trump.
And the focus has been on Hillary Clinton since the Comey letter.
MCENANY: That is exactly right and one of the reasons I think that this race is not analogous to 2012. You know, you heard some pundits say, well, Romney seemed back and then he lost the election.
But I think there are some intangibles here. One of them, as you point out, the focus is on Hillary Clinton. The FBI bomb shell is one. Number two, I think there is an enthusiasm factor with Trump we hear among conservative circles that we didn't hear with Mitt Romney. He is packing rallies to the extent of 20,000, 30,000.
And then, finally, there is this Brexit effect that we haven't seen since 1980 where people forget Ronald Reagan was demonized in the same way Donald Trump was. You had Carter coming out saying he is engaging in stirrings of the hatred. Anyone who stands with him is raising the specter of white chiefs, is what someone in the administration said, and people turned out and they voted for him and they were perhaps afraid to say it.
So, I think there is a lot of intangibles here that don't make it like 2012.
COOPER: Angela, I mean, as the Democrat, do you fear a hidden Trump vote?
RYE: There certainly could be a hidden Trump vote. And what I will say is the one comforting factor that I have is I know, for example, in the RealClearPolitics poll, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney were essentially tied at this point. And right now, Hillary Clinton is not tide. I think in RealClearPolitics -- I know CNN is the poll of polls but I think she's up by at least three. So, I'm comforted a little by that.
Anderson, that's not taken away my nightmares. I think that every day, every day this election cycle, we have seen something new. Today, thankfully, it was about a reporter that had to walk something back that was frankly egregious on the Clinton side, I wonder how much time we have to clean up some of these mess, some of them just false scandals at this point.
COOPER: David, I mean, you know what it was like in 2012 for President Obama against Mitt Romney. Do you think Hillary Clinton is in a better spot than President Obama was against Romney? AXELROD: Well, I think she's in a comparable spot. The fact is the
polls weren't as good for Obama. I mean, there was a sense this was a tied race, a lot of the same stories. Lot of Republicans saying God, Mitt's rallies are a huge and this is really encouraging and so on.
But at the end of the day -- first of all, we had our own data and it was more reliable because it was calling of people from voter files. And so, you knew the voter history was. You know who the certain voters were. You didn't have to rely on their own testimony and that created a more accurate polling.
So, even as the public polls said that -- that Romney and Obama were tied, we were up four consistently in our data down to the following -- down to the last. Both campaigns probably a voter polling than this polling.
So, you know, I think this is a traditional Republican/Democrat race, as 2012 was in what is a very polarized country. But where the electoral map favors Democrats and where the demography favors Democrats.
So, we'll know, we can spin from now until Tuesday, and then we'll know. But --
COOPER: Nothing about this has been traditional and now, suddenly, it is traditional.
(LAUGHTER)
AXELROD: I know. Better late than never I guess.
BERNSTEIN: Hillary hatred factor is a real difference --
[20:15:01] BASH: Huge.
BERNSTEIN: -- between what happened in 2008 and '09. That's the wild card here.
AXELROD: I got to tell you, Mitt Romney was a little better liked than Donald Trump as well. I mean, no one is going to win a popularity contest.
RYE: I have to say though, I understand what you are saying, analogous race because at that point, we had the Tea Party rising up talk about taking our country back. I think there was still a hatred factor, maybe not as severe but definitely there.
COOPER: All right. President Obama going all out right now in North Carolina. We'll be right back.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The idea that we would put in place in the most prominent, most powerful office in the land someone who undermines them? And the worst part about it, Charlotte, is we have begun to treat this as if it's normal.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) COOPER: President Obama is speaking live this North Carolina. Let's listen in.
OBAMA: -- when you disrespect the Constitution when you are running for president, you will disrespect the Constitution even after you swore an oath to uphold and protect it. And the reason that's important to understand is because I'm a proud Democrat.
[20:20:07] But -- hold on. I can honestly say to myself that if we as Democrats had nominated somebody who said the things Mr. Trump said, that I'd have to say, I'm sorry, yes, I'm a Democrat, but I'm an American first.
I'm a human being first. I'm a father first. I'm a husband first.
And, you know, there are Republicans who've done that. I have Republican friends who don't think or act the way Donald Trump does. And they don't intend to vote for him, because they understand this is somebody different, who is uniquely unqualified to hold this job.
And the good news though, North Carolina, is that you are uniquely qualified to make sure he doesn't get the job. But you got to vote. You can't just sit on the side lines. You got to vote.
You can't just complain, you got to vote. You can't just get depressed and crawl up in the fetal position. And look at the online polling and go, oh, what's going to -- no, you just got to vote. And the good news is --
COOPER: President Obama there in Charlotte. We're trying over the next two hours to give you as much sense what is happening over the campaign trail, because as you know, this is going full bore. A lot of surrogates out there, the candidates, Donald Trump is out there as well tonight, he's not speaking right now, and we will bring you him live as well.
I want to give equal time to everybody. Our Gary Tuchman is in Charlotte where President Obama is.
Gary, Obama has been on trail in full force for Hillary Clinton the last couple of days. I know something notable happened earlier even today. Can you describe it for us?
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Anderson. North Carolina is a very important state obviously for both candidates. Donald Trump needs to in North Carolina, that is what the electoral map indicates.
As far as Barack Obama, he doesn't have to come here to North Carolina but he's here campaigning for Hillary Clinton. She doesn't have to win North Carolina but they are relishing having Barack Obama here because if she wins North Carolina, if we find early in the evening, on election night, that Hillary Clinton is the winner here, it may be all over for Donald Trump.
So, that's why the state is so important. He's made three visits here. One right now, this amphitheater in Charlotte. Two days ago, the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill and earlier today, he was in a military town of Fayetteville, which is why Fort Bragg is.
And something happened, a heckler was in an audience, an older man who's a heckler. And Barack Obama handled the situation quite a bit differently than history we've seen Donald Trump's handling similar situations. Let's take a look at it.
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OBAMA: Now, listen up. I'm serious, listen up. You have an older gentleman who is supporting his candidate. He's not doing nothing. You don't have to worry about him.
This is what I mean about folks not being focused. First of all -- first of all -- hold up. Hold up.
First of all, we live in a country that respects free speech. So, second of all, it looks like maybe he might have served in our military and we got to respect that. Third of all, he was elderly and we got to respect our elders. And fourth of all, don't boo, vote.
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TUCHMAN: So, that was an interesting moment earlier today in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Barack Obama was in Florida yesterday. And the surrogate in chief will go back to Florida. That's his next stop. He takes the day off tomorrow and then campaigns for Hillary Clinton in Kissimmee, Florida, outside of Orlando on Sunday.
Anderson, back to you.
COOPER: All right. Gary, thanks very much.
Keep focused. The turnout effort, of course, is the Latino vote. President Obama did his part in a new interview just posted on the Latino-theme website MiTu. Listen.
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OBAMA: Part of what's important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard because you're not just speaking for yourself. You are speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school --
INTERVIEWER: Your entire community.
OBAMA: -- who may not have a voice, who can't legally vote.
[20:25:05] But they are counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: So far, early Latino turnout appears heavy. Though it is an open question whether the big numbers that we're seeing in places like Florida will actually carry through on Election Day. Joining us now is Clinton supporter in 2008, Clinton campaign adviser,
Maria Cardona, and Trump surrogate, Steve Cortes.
Appreciate both of you being with us.
Maria, Latino voters already, as we said, showing up to vote in this election, big numbers, could cast more ballots than in recent elections. How much does the Clinton campaign need the Election Day turnout itself from Latinos to mimic the turnout in early voting? Can she win if it doesn't?
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think what they are going to continue to focus on is to continue to bring Latinos out and from everything we've seen, it's actually working and then some. I talked to you earlier about how the public polls that we're seeing are severely undercounting the Latino vote because they don't use bilingual callers.
Latino Decisions came out today. They are one the premier polling firms that actually does call Latinos bilingually, and they actually said that turnout is going historic. The enthusiasm among Latinos is 10 points higher than it was in 2012. They estimate that Hillary Clinton will get 79 to 80 percent of the Hispanic vote.
And that this is the most important election for 70 percent or more of Latinos in this country. And so, what President Obama was just saying in that interview is absolutely true. This community feels completely disrespected and the kind of hatred and bigotry that has come out of the Trump campaign is absolutely definitively unacceptable to Latinos all across the country.
And they are going to make their voices heard in a way I don't think we have seen before. It is going to be quite historic.
COOPER: Steve, as Trump supporter, I mean, if you believe what Maria is saying, do you believe as the self inflicted wound by Donald Trump based on his own comments? I mean, we looked at past Republicans have gotten a much higher percentage of the Latino vote.
STEVE CORTES, TRUMP SURROGATE: Right. Well, no, clearly, I don't believe that. Ronald Reagan said when I was just a boy, one reason I became a Republican Hispanic, is he said Hispanics are all Republicans, they just don't know it yet.
Well, I think they are starting to realize, and they're realizing it mainly because of the economy. If you ask Hispanics what really matters to them and I think a lot of non-Hispanics, by the way, assume that we're monolith and that we only care about immigration, that's an important issue.
But in terms of what matters most politically to us, I think number one, two and three are all the economy. And Hispanics have done terribly under the present administration and they will do even worse under a future President Clinton administration. We can't allow that to happen --
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COOPER: If -- if your logic is actually correct though, you would have a higher Latino turnout than you had under, say, George W. Bush and there is no indication that that's going happen.
CORTES: Well, hold on, George W. Bush is a high water mark that no one has come close to. So, that's unfair as a comparison. I do think we're going to --
COOPER: Well, he was a Republican.
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CORTES: -- that we had last time -- well fine. But I'm saying, that is a real outlier.
Listen, I think we'll get there eventually. Will we get this election? I'm not sure. We might.
But you what we hear a lot from the left, well, they don't want to talk policy. What will actually help Latinos' lives? Things like school choice. Things like tax cuts, economic growth, border security.
What do they do? They call us bigots constantly. And when the mainstream media all day every day calls Donald Trump a racist, I will be the first to admit, it does have an impact. And within Latin communities, and I know this personally, it's often very hard to say that you are a the Trump supporter, there's a stigma to it.
And because of that, I think we're polling far below where I think we're actually going to be, the Trump campaign when it comes to Latino votes. Nevada is one state. Your own network CNN shows us polling ten points ahead of Romney. I'm confident that Latinos will decide Nevada for Donald Trump.
COOPER: Maria, it is important to note, there are also fewer African- Americans voting early than in past recent elections, certainly in 2012 and certainly 2008 obviously. How troubling is that? Because that could cancel out any gains that you believe are being made by growth in Latino votes.
CARDONA: Well, it certainly is something the Clinton campaign is taking a look at, but I think they are also seeing an uptick in the number of African Americans who have come out to vote during this early vote period. And let's remember that this coming weekend is the big push from the faith community, in the African American community. The Souls to the Polls, the huge get out the vote effort from the churches into the buses to the polling booths. That happens this Sunday.
So, I think the Clinton campaign is confident they will get there with the African American vote. But let me just address something that Steve said, because this is a huge myth within the Republican Party and it is why they have failed so incredibly time and time again with Hispanics ever since George W. Bush. Matthew Dowd, who was George W. Bush's pollster, said very smartly
that bush could not have become president if he didn't get at least 40 percent of the Hispanic vote.
[20:30:02] He says today that -- and that's exactly what he got and he became president. Matthew Dowd says today that because of the growth in the Hispanic vote no Republican can get to the White House with at least -- without at least 44 percent of the Hispanic vote. And Steve is right, the economy is the number one issue. But when you talk so and in a hateful manner and among mix status families and you say we love the parents because you're here legally. We hate your grandparents because you are not here legally, that is not something ...
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Steve I want you to respond and we got to move on.
STEVE CORTES, TRUMP SURROGATE: Right. You know, listen, we don't say that we hate anyone. We love immigration. We also love the law and it is important. And by the way the people who are most unfairly affected by illegal immigration are Hispanics. Hispanics have to compete in the labor market. Legal Hispanics whether they're native born or legal immigrants. They have to compete against illegals who are almost always willing to work for far less than market wages would dictate and they also have to deal quite frankly with the crime issue of illegals. Many of whom are living quite openly, hiding in the open in sanctuary cities.
So we have a situation right now where our opponent favors open borders. We know that. She said so in a paid "Wall Street" essentially "Wall Street" speech in Brazil. She favors open borders. We -- we love immigration. We're for sensible immigration. We're for border control and we don't believe by the way that people here legally are the victims. The victims are the Americans who have to deal with illegal immigrants.
COOPER: Thanks very much. Just for a factual correction. What she was actually talking ...
CARDONA: Thank you.
COOPER: ... or what she says she was talking about was energy policy open borders not obviously border security that what she says obviously disagree. Steve Cortes, appreciate it, and Maria Cardona.
CARDONA: Thank you.
COOPER: Coming up top House Democrats call for an investigation into alleged FBI leaks to benefit the Trump campaign. This relates to something former New York mayor and current Trump support Rudy Giuliani said today. We'll play that for you next. We'll hear as well from Donald Trump in Pennsylvania right now.
DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: ...spoke in front of a much smaller crowd than that by the way. And there was a protester. And a protester that likes us. And what happened is they wouldn't put the cameras on them. They kept the cameras on Obama. And I said that's strange. You saw it today on television, right? He was talking to the protesters screaming ...
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[20:35:48] COOPER: Donald Trump speaking in Hershey, Pennsylvania. A moment ago he made reference to Hillary Clinton's event in Cleveland saying he doesn't need Jay--z with him to carry today. Let's listen to Donald Trump more.
TRUMP: ... so many other things. We're going to have a great relationship with China. And I'm not angry at China. I'm angry at our leaders for allowing so many different countries to rip us off. That is who I'm angry with. All right, that will end. Does anybody have any doubt that's not - and we will have - honestly, we're going to have a better relationship with most of these countries. The reason is they don't respect us. They don't respect Obama. He's like a cheerleader, he's jumping up and down all over the place for Hillary. He shouldn't be doing that. He shouldn't be with her. He's got to be working. You know what? We're better off if he doesn't work. He'll only make bad deals we'll have to unscramble them. We're better off.
We've received the first ever endorsement from our ICE and border patrol offices. 16,500 first time they've ever endorsed a candidate. It's just been reported that as a result of our open borders, violent cartels haven spread into all 50 of our states. More than 90 percent of those arrested are here illegally, thank you very much. They are killing innocent Americans, threatening schools and totally destroying communities. A government that will not protect its people is a government that is unworthy to lead.
As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton allowed thousands and thousands of the most dangerous and violent criminals to go free because their home countries wouldn't take them back. They bring them to their countries and very intelligently these countries are saying we don't want them murderers, drug kings, the gang members. So they bring them in and the country say we're not taking them back. Bring them back to your country. And she was head of State Department and she'd say bring them back. We don't want to - believe me. I promise you this. Never once will we be bringing anybody back. Never once, never once.
And if they come back into our country, one year in jail, and if they come back a second time into our country, five years in jail and then 10 years and jail and they won't be coming back. They are not going to be coming back. Very few believe me when they know that. You know, what we do? We capture them over and over and over and we let them go.
There have to be consequences, folks. There have to be consequences. Hillary supports totally open borders. There goes your country. And strongly supports sanctuary cities like San Francisco where Kate Steinle was murdered by an illegal immigrant. And this immigrant, this illegal immigrant was deported at least five times. Not going happen anymore folks. Thousands of Americans would be alive today if not for the open border policies of Obama and Clinton. This includes Americans like Josh Wilkerson whose mother I've gotten to know during the campaign. Josh was a student in a high school. Good student, good kid everybody loved him, who's murdered at the age of 17. He was tortured, strangled, beaten to death by the illegal immigrant. And then his body was set on fire. Everybody wanted this guy out. They wanted him incarcerated.
[20:39:59] In July, right here in Pennsylvania, an illegal immigrant with a previous deportation record, horrible record, raped a young child, the illegal immigrant had been arrested for aggravated assault on numerous occasions. But he was set free. He was set free. Everybody that knew him said, please, please don't set him free. He was set free by ...
COOPER: That's Donald Trump by now in battleground Pennsylvania. We brought you President Obama speaking for Hillary Clinton earlier. Wanted to bring you Donald Trump as well.
Meantime, there's a controversy surrounding one of his leading surrogates tonight. The ranking members of the House and oversight and judiciary committees are calling for an investigation of the alleged FBI leaks to benefit the Trump campaign. Now this after Trump supporter former Mayor Rudy Giuliani went on "Fox & Friends" this morning.
The congressman calling from investigation say Giuliani basically maybe had he got leaked information about the latest FBI review of e- mails potentially related to Hillary Clinton's survey before it became public on Friday. Take a look.
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RUDY GIULIANI, (R) FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR: All I heard were former FBI agents telling me that there is a revolution going on inside the FBI and it is now at a boiling point. And ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you had a general idea that something was coming.
GIULIANI: I had expected this for the last -- honestly to tell you the truth, I thought it was going to be about three or four weeks ago. I did nothing to get it out. I had no role in it. Did I hear about it? You're darn right I heard about it.
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COOPER: Well Giuliani told Wolf Blitzer today that he had spoken with a lot of former FBI agents who were upset about Director James Comey's decision not to prosecute Clinton back in July but he didn't know about the new review that was announced on Friday.
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GIULIANI: I've had no conversations with anyone inside the FBI. Have I -- I have heard for the last four months a tremendous amount of information about the consternation within the FBI, the fact that FBI agents were very unhappy with the way they were being treated by the Justice Department. That is all true. But none of it came from any current -- I haven't talked to a current FBI agent, as I told you, in the last -- gosh, at least 8 or 10 months
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COOPER: Representatives Elijah Cummings and John Conyers are calling for investigation. Here is what Cummings said to Wolf.
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REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS, (D) HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE: He made it clear, Wolf, that he was getting information from former FBI agents. Now Mr. Giuliani knows better. He know -- he's a federal -- he was a former federal prosecutor. You don't use the former prosecutors to launder information coming from the FBI.
That's basically what he said. We don't have a system of justice here where you take, you know, innuendo and vague announcements and put people's careers and lives and livelihood in jeopardy. We just don't do that.
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COOPER: Well back with the panel, joining us also is Trump supporter Matt Schlapp. Also on the phone, CNN law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes.
Tom let's start with you as someone who worked for the FBI, do you believe there is a chance Mayor Giuliani was privy to information he shouldn't have been or do you think this could just be, you know, a situation where he was kind of boasting that he was in the loop.
TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I don't know Anderson, you know and I don't know Mr. Giuliani personally and have never met him. So I don't know one way or the other, you know, about that. I think that has to be for him to answer to. But interestingly on Thursday the day before that letter went out I was at a luncheon in downtown Washington with about 30 current and retired senior executives of the FBI. This is a society of former agents that meets about once a month at a particular restaurant in downtown Washington.
And so here's a group of us there. We have the luncheon and the guest speaker. When the luncheon is over usually, you know, many of us congregate afterwards and socialize and talk. And I stayed about an hour longer talking to, as I said, many, many executives. And, you know, everything from what they are currently doing t to, you know, what do they think of some of these cases and obviously the most recent case of the director shutting down the e-mail case in July.
But there was not one word spoken at all of anything concerning the possible reopening and then the actual reopening that was going to happen the next day. Not one of us had any clue about that. No one spoke of it. And interestingly on Friday I was at - having lunch with some people on a separate matter, not FBI personnel. And the restaurant we were in had a giant screen with CNN on it. And one of the people I was having lunch with looked up and said hey look the FBI is reopening the case on the e-mail. That is the first I heard of it.
And the same a lot of shock interest from other agents that I've talked to and again retired executives that many I had seen the day before. Many I have seen in San Diego at a police convention earlier in the month. None of us had a clue. We were all equally shocked that this new information ...
[20:45:14] COOPER: Tom when you -- when you hear Congressman Elijah Cummings and John Conyer Jr. calling and the inspector general of the Justice Department to launch investigation into, you know, these alleged leaks or possible leaks to Giuliani should investigation be launched in your opinion or is this just kind of the stuff that happens in the waning days of campaign?
FUENTES: Well you know I think that you can't compare this to the waning days of any campaign. I think that everything that's happened in this case and similar cases going back now several months, you know, go back to June when president Clinton gets on the plane with Loretta Lynch, attorney general, former President Clinton. You know we've never had an attorney general say, OK, with regard to the Clinton case I'll defer to the FBI's decision on that. That's never happened. We've had individual prosecutors, U.S. attorneys or federal prosecutors recuse themselves individually and say my assistant, the deputy attorney general or career prosecutors within the Department of Justice will be involved now in the decision-making. But never has the department basically advocated its responsibility to make the prosecuted decision and defer it to the FBI.
And so many of us were not happy when that happened. And we felt back in July that when Director Comey made that press conference or press release I should say on the 5th of July, we thought this has never happened and it shouldn't have happened and that he should have done what he's always done, deferred this over or referred it to the completed investigation to the Department of Justice. And if Loretta Lynch decides that the janitor of DOJ is going to make the decision, so be it. But it shouldn't be from the FBI. And we felt from that point ...
COOPER: Interesting.
FUENTES: ... on this became a highly political situation.
COOPER: Interesting. Right, Tom I want to bring in the panel. Angela I know you talked to Congressman Cummings. Do you think there is should be investigation on this?
ANGELA RYE, POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Yeah. I think that they have raised a number of really good points. One of the thing they say in the letter is, "it is absolutely unacceptable for the FBI to leak -- and substantiate it. And in some cases false information about one presidential candidate to benefit the other", he goes on to say, "Leaking this information to former FBI officials as a conduit to the Trump campaign is equally intolerable."
The issue is now lack of public trust. Congressman Cummings talked about that as well on the show with Wolf where he said listen if we can't trust our FBI, if we don't believe in the system, if we don't believe in the DOJ, we substantially compromise this. And that is above -- that's a bigger issue than partisanship. That's about being a good American.
COOPER: Matt ...
MATT SCHLAPP, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yeah, I just think is shocking to me. Which is they punted it in the summer, right? Then because the investigation is going on with Huma Abedin's husband, they find more information and because DOJ has recused themselves as Mr. Fuentes just explained, it puts the FBI director in a terrible position. The fact is this. There should have been a special council on this a very long time ago. It should have been kicked out of political realm. No public official is going make a good decision on this now.
So what you actually have is evidence in those e-mails you have people leaking from the FBI ...
CARDONA: You don't know that.
SCHLAPP: But let me finish. You had people leaking from the FBI to reporters. Carl knows something about this. And, you know what, when a government agency between DOJ and FBI, they are in complete conflict within the FBI within the DOJ over this. That's why you have special councils and the reason why leaking is sometime is needed because there are times when the institution of government are just completely broken. And this is an example of that. And if somebody involved in that thinks it is in the public good to let information come out to the press why are we going to be ...
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COOPER: We got to take a break, we're going to have more on this. We're going talk to the panel. There's a lot more ahead tonight for you do weigh on including Hillary Clinton sharing the first lady's mantra, seven key words "when they go low we go high" but is the Democratic nominee actually following that advice? That's next first. First Jay-Z at the Clinton event tonight.
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[20:50:54] COOPER: Well, we are just four days away from Election Day but who's really counting. Polls show the race is really tightening. Hillary Clinton's play book could be changing. You might remember this moment from the second presidential debate, last month.
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HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When I hear something like that. I am reminded of what my friend, Michelle Obama, advised us all. When they go low, you go high.
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COOPER: Well, that was then, listen to campaign message lately, though, and it sounds like they're going to ditching that advice. Tom Foreman has that.
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CLINTON: Just a few days ago, Donald Trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the Ku Klux Klan.
TOM FOREMAN, CNN REPORTER: So much for the high road and so much for the fact that Trump immediately rejected that KKK support, calling it repulsive. Hillary Clinton is making hay of it anyway.
CLINTON: They said it's about preserving white identity and they've placed their faith and hope in him.
TRUMP: Our military is a disaster.
FOREMAN: On T.V., the internet, and especially in the battlegrounds. The biggest names in the Democratic Party are stepping up the blitz that started a few weeks ago. Then it was Senator Elizabeth Warren in Denver, Colorado.
SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN, (D) MASSACHUSETTS: The big, brave Donald Trump is too chicken to release his tax returns. Bok, bok, bok, bok, bok.
FOREMAN: Now it's former president Bill Clinton further south in pueblo.
BILL CLINTON, (D) FORMER UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: ... we've got to decide, do we want a change in reality, or reality T.V.?
FOREMAN: Up in Wisconsin, Vice President Joe Biden was playing offense too.
JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He is thoroughly unprepared and unqualified to be the Commander in Chief of the United States of America. It's not even close.
FOREMAN: Clinton's running mate Tim Kaine hit Arizona, trying to rally Latino voters.
TIM KAINE, (D), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (In Translation): Donald Trump said that Mexican immigrants are drug dealers, rapists, and murderers. He's a clown.
FOREMAN: And in North Carolina it was senator Bernie Sanders pushing women to the polls.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: And we have come too far in this country to elect a president who objectifies women, who insults women, who brags about his sexual assaults.
FOREMAN: President Obama was even out there, mocking Trump over being offended by "Saturday Night Live".
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And you want to be president of the United States? Come on, man! Come on.
FOREMAN: And first lady Michelle Obama has been trying to bring it all home.
MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY OF UNITED STATES: ... because make no mistake about it, casting our vote is the ultimate way we go high when they go low. Voting is our high.
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FOREMAN: Collectively, all these big Democrats are hitting the Republican nominee on every possible weak spot. And all that talk about taking the high road, that's clearly changed into take any road, as long as it ends at the White House. Anderson?
COOPER: Tom thanks very much.
Back with the panel. Maria, what about that? I mean the whole idea was supposed to be that in the closing days of the campaign, the Democrats would sort of the, doing an overarching vision and then the polls got tight and now we have this, now?
CARDONA: And they're doing both. I know that we love to cover Hillary Clinton when she's really going at Donald Trump. And frankly, what she is saying is all true. And she's using his own words against him, which I think are quite impactful and quite powerful. It's the same thing that Elizabeth Warren is doing. The same thing that president Obama is doing. Frankly, it's the same thing that Michelle Obama is doing? And if you look at what Michelle Obama said, she said, going high means going to vote. Means making your voice heard. Means, making sure that everybody hears loud and clear, especially Donald Trump that the way that he has run this campaign with the bigotry and the racism and the misogyny is not going to be accepted, in American culture.
COOPER: David?
DAVID AXELROD, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think maybe there's a misinterpretation here. I think there's a basic rule of presidential politics, especially as you're coming down the last leg of it. And that is when your opponents' poll numbers are going low, you go high. But when the race is close, and it's time to slug it out.
[20:55:12] CARDONA: It must be have that Michelle Obama whispering here.
CARL BERNSTEIN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: The issue in this campaign, right now, is Donald Trump and his fitness to be the president of the United States. That's the bottom line.
COOPER: Well, also for a lot of Trump supporters, Hillary Clinton ...
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BERNSTEIN: That's where I was going. And that's where we are with good reason. And at the same time, what we're also seeing is Hillary Clinton's world was rocked a week ago. She did want to go high. She wanted to come out of this thing looking toward the transition. Well, right now she's looking at the last days of election. And she's had an emotional response among other things. She is in a place she never expected to be. She thought Donald Trump was going to be the one opponent that she could really wipe off the map. It hasn't happened. Her husband has not been an asset. He's not physically the same Bill Clinton that we've seen and he's not that well. She's emotional. She's angry ...
RYE: Wait.
BERNSTEIN: She's angry -- no, no ...
COOPER: Let him keep going, please.
RYE: I just want to know, how is she displaying emotion? I actually haven't seen her be emotional about this.
BERSTEIN: No, I'm saying -- no I've talked to people in the campaign and she is emotional. I've written a biography of Hillary Clinton. I think I know a bit about her.
RYE: I think I do, too.
BERNSTEIN: She also is in the zone where she's at her best. She's in a warrior mode here. She is doing it calmly. She is eviscerating Trump in just the right way. But part of this is because of what happened with Comey last ...
COOPER: Dana?
AXELROD: So she's calmly emotional.
RYE: I see. Yeah.
CARDONA: I just wonder if it was a male candidate, would we use that ...
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Yes.
BERNSTEIN: Absolutely, why would.
COOPER: I would sort of say Donald Trump has been emotional, as well, I mean ...
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BERNSTEIN: Totally, we would. Totally, we would. I don't think this has anything to do with being a woman or a man. No.
COOPER: OK, Dana?
BERNSTEIN: Whatsoever.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, "Danger Will Robinson". I just focus on what I was thinking about, as you were talking about going high and going low, it's a really nice slogan. It was a really nice thing, you know, some sound bite in a speech but come on.
RYE: Yeah.
BASH: Come on, man! Come on man.
COOPER: Isn't that the trick of going high. You always say you're going high, but you don't really go high. You just like you said you are.
BASH: Not only did she not go high, the campaign very systemically, very effectively, baited Donald Trump ...
COOPER: Yes.
RYE: Yes.
BASH: ... in one event after another event after another, whether it was Alicia Machado or ...
COOPER: Right.
BASH: ... you know, you name it. Now, some of the problems that Trump had were self-inflicted, the "Access Hollywood" tape. But this was, it certainly didn't seem necessarily that she was taking the low road, but she did. And -- there's no question, she was playing very, very hard ball. Very -- I mean down and dirty politics.
COOPER: And yet, I mean Donald Trump certainly is also, you know, going after character issues, as well. It is interesting, though, in these final days to see him on prompter more than we've ever seen.
MCENANY: It absolutely it's interesting. And we've seen President Obama trying to bait him endlessly and it hasn't worked. And we've seen Donald Trump, you know, bring up the FBI scandal a bit. But we have seen him, you know, give these policy speeches ...
COOPER: He did come close, when he gave that pep talk to himself like Donald, stay calm.
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MCENANY: I also have to -- I want to point out, quickly, though that's going high, apparently means clucking like a chicken right ...
BASH: That was hilarious.
COOPER: When Maria said she's using her words against him, I was like, I've never heard him cluck like a chicken. But ...
BERNSTEIN: If she gets to the inaugural, Hillary is Elizabeth Warren going to do that on the capitol steps?
COOPER: We've got to take a quick break. A lot more ahead. We're going to showing as many events we can from the campaign trail that are happening live tonight. Also new potential clues we're getting from early voting. We'll talk about that, what it could mean for Clinton and Trump as they campaign tonight in key battleground states.
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