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PRIMETIME JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD

Pair Allegedly Planned to Drug, Rape Kids; Man Kills Girl, Marries her Mom; Taylor Swift in Court: Trial Now Underway; Urgent Search. Aired 8- 9p ET

Aired August 8, 2017 - 20:00   ET

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[20:00:00] JEAN CASAREZ, HLN HOST (voice-over): A passenger sees something and says something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The conversations were very particular.

CASAREZ: Shocking texts seen on board a plane.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sex acts that were to be performed on a child.

CASAREZ: Alerting police after seeing a fellow flier discussing an alleged sexual assault of two children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some of the sex acts talked about not only molesting the children, but performing bestiality.

CASAREZ: Police say she saved those kids from being abused.

An arrest in the death of a toddler with special needs, police claiming this guy killed this beautiful little girl, then married her mother. Why

they say his story didn`t match the medical examiner`s report.

Superstar Taylor Swift claims a radio deejay slipped his hand under her dress while they took a picture together. Now he`s suing, claiming her

allegation cost him his job.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just to see someone stand up for such a big deal and show that it`s not OK...

CASAREZ: Why she or her fans aren`t backing down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s countersuing him for $1 because she doesn`t need the money. She just wants it to be a point that women need to stand

up for themselves.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I texted her, Hey, how`d it go? What`s up, at like, 10:30. Didn`t get a text back.

CASAREZ: A young woman disappears after attending a self-help conference.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) side of the road.

CASAREZ: Her car found abandoned more than 100 miles away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s trusting to a point which may be to a detriment.

CASAREZ: Now her family is fearful something terrible has happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s terrifying because she`s so connected as far as being, you know, family-oriented, you know, a dear soul.

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CASAREZ: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez, in for Ashleigh Banfield. Thank you so much for joining us. This is PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

It started out as a routine Monday morning. It was a flight from Seattle to San Jose. There wasn`t any turbulence of note, and the plane left

relatively on time. But when one woman leaned forward to look out the window, what she saw in the seat in front of her was nothing less than

horrific.

Blocking her view, a man`s cell phone, and authorities say on that screen in huge font, huge lettering were graphic text messages appearing to lay

out plans to sexually abuse two young children.

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SGT. BRIAN SPEARS, SAN JOSE POLICE DEPARTMENT: Some of the sex acts talked about not only molesting the children, but performing bestiality.

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CASAREZ: That woman pulled out her phone and started taking pictures. But according to authorities, the divorced father of two was so caught up in

the text messages, he didn`t even notice. After taking the pictures, she showed a flight attendant. Police were called, and Michael Keillar was

taken into custody. And had it not been for that woman`s quick thinking, police say it could have been even more catastrophic.

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SPEARS: There was an event that was to occur. There was a pre-planned event. And you know, with her actions, we were able to prevent it. If it

wasn`t for this particular passenger taking action, taking initiative to alert the staff and alert police, this catastrophic event would have been

just horrific. In my eyes, she`s our hero.

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CASAREZ: And that hero, that passenger, that woman who spotted those alleged texts, abuse texts joins us now from Seattle, Washington.

Cristina, you say this all started because you wanted to look out the window. Just describe for us what you saw.

CHRISTINA, SPOTTED PASSENGER`S ALLEGED CHILD ABUSE TEXTS (via telephone): Yes. Hi. Yes, I was looking out the window, and then just -- I don`t

know, I happened to just see the words "child in their underwear," "children in their underwear." And it just alerted me. I don`t know.

Something made me want to look further. I just continued to read, and what I was reading was just absolutely horrific. And so I continued to read and

observe just the action that was -- what was going on.

[20:05:00]CASAREZ: You know, Cristina, I think everyone should know that you are actually in education yourself, which I think is amazing. Just

tell us your background. You`re a teacher.

CRISTINA: Yes, I`m an early childhood educator. And I think -- you know, we`re kind of trained to look out for things. But just in general, I`m

just, you know, a guardian of childhood. And I`ve been a teacher for a long time an early childhood educator. And I just -- yes, I really care

for children. So I`m really hypersensitive if I see something like that.

CASAREZ: So this man -- Michael Keillar is his name -- was he texting during the time you were watching, or was he just reading texts from who we

now know is a woman, Gail Lynn (ph) Burnworth?

CRISTINA: Yes, like, actually texting because that was kind of, like -- it surprised me, too, and I just figured -- yes, he had his in-flight service

on, and I could see these texts coming in, like, live texts from a person, from the woman. And I could see that, you know, she was responding to his

questions. And I, you know, could see it all.

CASAREZ: So you had the intelligence and the strength to get out your phone at that moment. Describe what you did.

CRISTINA: Yes, well, I was just pretty much sitting there in shock. And then I -- I don`t know, something inside me just decided -- like, I was

just observing him kind of going through the texts over and over again. And so I just -- I don`t know, something inside me just decided to just

start taking some pictures really discreetly. The people sitting next to me -- I was sitting in the middle seat -- had no idea what I was doing.

And nor did I share it with them, what I was doing.

CASAREZ: And neither did Michael Keillar. He didn`t realize what you were doing, either. Was he just so focused -- what was his demeanor that you

could see? And I know you were behind him, sort to the side, but...

CRISTINA: Yes.

CASAREZ: What was...

CRISTINA: Just on his phone and just focused and just continuously checking messages back and forth and continuing to, you know, to look at

different texts and re-reading them and going over and then texting back and forth.

CASAREZ: And I don`t want to -- you to have to describe anything that is salacious because it is unbelievable what they were talking about. But

just generally speaking, child abuse, but even more than that, just give us an overall view. What were you reading?

CRISTINA: Just plans between the two, to making plans of -- the woman was going to do these things and make videos, with the plan that it was going

to happen -- this was a Monday, but on the weekend that the family -- the parents would be out of town, and she would have all the time to take as

many videos without them looking over her.

And so that`s what really horrified me, knowing that these children were going to be alone with this woman, and that she was going to be making

videos for this man. And I was just in a panic just to know that this could happen. I still get really choked up about it!

CASAREZ: I think we all do. And of course, these people are innocent until proven guilty, but when law enforcement says that you are a hero,

you`re a heroine, how do you react to that? Has it sunk in?

CRISTINA: I don`t know that it`s necessarily sunk in, but I think I`m just happy that the two children are safe, ultimately. And I suppose that I

could be their hero, that I stopped a bad thing from happening to them.

Myself, I did a small part in it. But the other part was the quick action of the -- of ICAP (ph), Internet against crimes against children. Those

organizations were able to work so quickly. I mean, I have no idea how quick it was. Upon landing in San Jose, I was then off on another trip.

And so I didn`t know all this was going on. And I didn`t find out until later.

CASAREZ: But you...

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CASAREZ: We do have Sergeant Spears with us. We want to talk with him. But you actually told a flight attendant on the plane while it was in the

air, what you were seeing, what you were taking pictures of.

CRISTINA: Yes.

CASAREZ: Did you show him or her the pictures?

CRISTINA: No. I just told her, and then she told me that I was going to show -- that I would be first off the plane, and she would show the -- that

I was supposed to show the special ops person.

[20:10:00]And so then the plane landed. I was the first off, showed the special ops person. He then took me over to their -- the police there, and

I talked to one of the agents there and then showed him the information. And then he sent someone over to detain him. And then, yes, I believe he

was arrested then.

CASAREZ: And with us tonight is Sergeant Brian Spears. He is the Silicon valley task force commander of Internet crimes against children, San Jose

Police Department. Sergeant, thank you so much for joining us.

SPEARS: Thank you for having me.

CASAREZ: Was this man allowed to get off the plane, or did you -- was he detained on the plane and you came in and arrested him there?

SPEARS: No, he was allowed to exit the plane. A uniformed sergeant (INAUDIBLE) along with other uniformed officers, they established contact.

And subsequently, we (INAUDIBLE) ...

CASAREZ: And isn`t it true that once you retained him into custody, I believe he was free to leave, but you then interviewed him and he spoke to

you? And some of that is in the federal charging document. What did he say?

SPEARS: He started to describe the text conversations. He didn`t deny having the text conversations, but he described it as fantasy

communication, very nonchalant behavior. He appeared very comfortable talking with investigators, like as if it wasn`t a big deal.

CASAREZ: Now, these two children, according to the federal complaint, the charging document, 5 and 7 years old, and Gail Lynn (ph) Burnworth --

you`re seeing her right there -- who has also been charged, who he was texting with -- she admitted, according to the document, that she had taken

videos previously of these two young children, these victims.

Do you believe that that`s true, that they were victimized, that it wasn`t even -- it wasn`t in the planning stages only to do more to them, but they

had already been victims of child abuse?

SPEARS: Absolutely. Absolutely. And if it wasn`t for -- and she doesn`t call herself a hero, but if it wasn`t for right now my biggest hero -- she

put an end to it. She truly did.

CASAREZ: It is amazing. It is absolutely amazing. So once you spoke with him -- and I believe he did admit that he had a propensity to little girls

and little boys, the charging document does say, we learned that these two people met on Match.com. That`s what they admitted.

Here`s my question, Sergeant. How did two people that have these criminal sexual interests, allegedly, into children -- how did they get together on

Match.com?

SPEARS: You know, the power of social media and the Internet -- on one hand, it`s a phenomenal tool. On the other, it opens up -- it opens you up

to discover everyone`s deep, dark secret. You know, we have a conversation face to face, and you may not disclose as much information. But the

ability to communicate with someone, anyone around the world by merely sending a text message, people start opening up. And in fact,

unfortunately, that`s why ITAC (ph) exists. It`s a tragedy (INAUDIBLE) knowing that (INAUDIBLE) task force throughout the United States, that it`s

so inundated with this type of behavior, so inundated with these types of cases, that we are onto the next one.

I embrace my investigators. I`m always concerned about their mental health based off of the continuous sexual abuse that we investigate (INAUDIBLE)

CASAREZ: One last question, Sergeant. One last question before we go. In one of the original press releases, it showed that he was arrested on state

charges, including rape of a child. Do those charges -- because there can be parallel cases going on, a state and federal case -- does the state case

exist at this point?

SPEARS: No, it does not.

CASAREZ: It does not?

SPEARS: As of yesterday, it does not. He (INAUDIBLE) over to federal custody and he will be extradited back to the state of Washington.

CASAREZ: All right.

SPEARS: Under a federal warrant.

CASAREZ: Cristina, I want to give you the last word here. What advice -- you are the role model for people out there to follow. What can you say to

everyone else, that if you see something, say something?

[20:15:14]CRISTINA: Yes. I say, Don`t be afraid. Go with your instincts. Be discreet. And you can potentially save someone from harm. You can

basically save someone`s life from harm, if you can just speak up. Just be discreet.

I don`t know. I feel like I was very discreet in this, and had I not been discreet, he could have found out. And so being discreet and giving the

right people, the authorities, the information right away. Had I walked away from there with this information and just thought about it, and then

turned it in later, they might not have found him right away. So just, you know, be discreet, act quickly. And give the right people the information.

CASAREZ: All right, well, Cristina, thank you so much for sharing your story. Michael Keillar and Gail Lynn Burnworth are innocent until proven

guilty.

A year after a little girl`s death, her mother`s new husband is charged with her murder. And police say he had been physically abusing her for

weeks before she died.

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[20:20:38]CASAREZ: A little girl just 19 months old with multiple disabilities dies. But investigators in Utah say Sophia didn`t die from

complications from her premature birth, or the bleeding on the brain that caused her cerebral palsy and weakness on her left side. You see,

prosecutors believe that the boyfriend of the little girl`s mother abused her so badly, she died from those injuries.

According to court documents, Jake Jensen was watching Sophia while the mother was at work and claimed she had a seizure. The first time,

responders urged the couple to take the little girl to a doctor to get it checked out. The mother didn`t. And just days later, Jensen again claimed

the 19-month-old had another seizure, but this time, she didn`t make it.

After a long investigation, authorities determined the little girl had been abused, with her fractures to her legs, fractures to her head and eye

injuries, not to mention an unsurvivable brain injury.

Prosecutors say Jake Jensen is responsible for Sophia`s death and has been charged with child abuse and child abuse homicide. Ironically, Jensen

married the mother of the little girl earlier this year, and the couple had a daughter just a few weeks ago.

Ryan Kerns is a reporter with Wildabouttrial.com. He joins us tonight from Los Angeles. Let`s have a little -- what are some of the facts here?

Start from the beginning. How was he charged?

RYAN KERNS, WILDABOUTTRIAL.COM: So this is actually the culmination of a 20-month investigation. It really dates back to January 2nd, the first

incident, when paramedics were called to Jensen`s home. He reported that the toddler, the 19-month-old, was having a seizure. When the paramedics

arrived, they determined that the toddler -- the vital signs were fine, they were OK, that they were not required to take the toddler to the

hospital, but in fact would be allowed to take her to their pediatrician later on. They did, in fact, not do that.

Now, what became interesting is three days later, the paramedics are once again called to the same house, where the same toddler is found having

another seizure. She`s transported to the hospital, where she passes away. This all seems pretty in line. She has developmental disabilities, and you

would think this would go along with the cerebral palsy.

But the real interesting twists come in when we start looking at the postmortem investigation, when the medical examiners, when they analyze the

body, they find significant injuries. They find broken fibulas, broken legs. They find subdural hemorrhages to her brain, to her eye areas,

significant trauma that as of yet, Jensen has not been able to adequately explain.

When they start asking him what happened on the night of the 5th, the second night, they find out that he has conflicting stories. When she

wakes up early in the morning, the toddler, he goes to her, he says he`s going to make her a bottle. In one account, he says that he finds her and

she`s already mid-seizure. In another account, he says he picks her up, and then once he picks her up, her arms and legs go limp.

He has all these conflicting stories about what really happened. Police become suspicious. They look at these significant injuries. And then once

the medical examiner comes back with a determination that there is no other explanation besides child abuse, they start looking at Jensen specifically

as the cause of her death.

CASAREZ: All right. Let me ask you, Ryan, had there been any instances of violence from this man in the past? Had 911 been called because of his

wife? Had 911 been called because of him effectuating violence on any other children, on any other people in the family?

KERNS: That investigation is still under way. There have been no reports in any of the charging documents or any of the police reports that there

was a history of violence that would have led -- that would create a red flag for officers.

CASAREZ: OK.

KERNS: Really, what they`re looking at is these two dates where the gentleman was solely responsible for the custody of the daughter, and child

abuse is the only cause.

CASAREZ: All right. Now, that`s one side of the story. There`s another side to the story here. Bobby Chacon, you are a retired FBI special agent

joining us also from Los Angeles.

You know, and I`ll ask Dr. William Morrone this, but a radiological finding of a broken bone is just that, a broken bone. And as an investigator, you

want to look at the facts and circumstances surrounding the case, and the family, and the man.

BOBBY CHACON, RETIRED FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Sure.

CASAREZ: What would you look for?

[20:25:15]CHACON: Well, the first thing is not just a broken bone. The first thing is that this is a broken bone that apparently started to heal

and apparently was never even reported by the parents. Now, when a child that age breaks a bone, it hurts and it causes pain. And the only way...

CASAREZ: The babies cry.

CHACON: The babies cry.

CASAREZ: And do we know if there was any...

CHACON: That`s the only way to tell you that they`re in pain.

CASAREZ: ... bruising? Do we know if there was any outward bruising? I don`t think we know if there was anything on the baby that would have shown

the parents the bone had been broken.

CHACON: Well, the only way a child would do that, I mean, is incessant crying, and you would think that that would have prompted a visit to a

doctor because a broken bone doesn`t heal very quickly. And if you`re talking about two broken legs that are in the process of healing, that`s a

long time. And that kind of abuse in and of itself would cast some doubt on anything that the mother or the boyfriend has to say.

CASAREZ: All right. Dr. William Morrone, you are chief deputy medical examiner, Bay County, Michigan. Thank you very much for joining us.

DR. WILLIAM MORRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER: Thank you.

CASAREZ: This baby had been born with intraventricular hemorrhaging, as well as cerebral palsy. So there are some preexisting conditions to start

off with. Can that ever go into seizures as that baby is -- was now about 17 months old?

MORRONE: It`s very common for brain damage to lead to seizures in young children, especially in cerebral palsy if the birthing event contained an

anoxic period, a period without oxygen. That predisposes the brain to seizures.

CASAREZ: In regard to broken bones, there is the gold standard that was really made famous by Dr. Paul Klineman (ph) -- because I`ve been studying

this. And that when a baby has broken bones, there is immediately believed it`s abuse. But there can be other reasons that babies` bones are broken,

and if there`s no bruising on the skin, the parents cannot even know. And I`m talking about metabolic bone disease, infantile rickets. There are

certain things that can manifest itself in a baby.

MORRONE: Yes. And another one known is osteogenesis imperfecta. All of these are metabolic conditions that the broken structure, the broken growth

is delayed and inferior, which predisposes the bone to breaking.

But what we see in child abuse cases are long bones and head trauma. The head in a child is disproportionately large compared with the length of the

child. And in a cerebral palsy baby, the average child probably weighs 24 to 30 pounds at about that age. But in a cerebral palsy baby, you could

have a baby as small as 9 to 12 pounds, which would make that difficult to assess.

CASAREZ: Interesting. So it`s going to really be the battle of the experts. Randy Zelin, I think there are a lot of issues here in regard to

-- because I`ve been studying metabolic bone disease. I`m covering a case right now of a little baby that had fractures, and that the father said, I

didn`t do it, and there was no bruising. And now it may be metabolic bone disease, and the baby survived.

But what are the issues that you would look at to try to show that there`s no probable cause this man even committed child abuse?

RANDY ZELIN, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, first of all, you have to bring common sense into the conversation. As has already been discussed, these

kinds of, and I quote, "extensive injuries" -- they`re going to have physically outward signs. How is it that 600 days went by, and no one ever

noticed any injuries on this child which would have been consistent with these horrible injuries? It defies common sense!

And then when you couple that with the definition of reasonable doubt -- when you have to make an important decision, if you need more information

before you make a decision whether to have surgery, you have a reasonable doubt. What juror is going to sit there and say, Wait a minute, 600 days

went by, no one saw injuries, outwardly bruising, bleeding, damage, everything was OK? And now suddenly, you`re charging this guy with

homicide? I`m sorry. There is a wide divide here!

CASAREZ: Areva martin, you are a victims` advocate. I`m sure you disagree.

AREVA MARTIN, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Yes, I think the troubling part about this story to me, Jean, is the ever-changing story of this baby-

sitter, of this guy that eventually marries the mother of this child.

[20:30:00] don`t think the case is just about the broken bones, but it`s also about his narrative, what he said to the police when police started to

investigate this case. His story, from what we`re being told, didn`t add up. The facts weren`t consistent. His story kept changing.

I think whenever you see a kid with substantial bruising or broken limbs, like in the case of this little girl, and you have this stepfather with

this ever-changing story, the police did the right thing, they moved in, they arrested him. And hopefully the infant, the newborn infant to this

couple, has not in any way been harmed by what appears to be this brutality that was happening in this household.

CASAREZ: I think the main thing here is justice. What is fair, what is right, beyond a reasonable doubt, will he be proven to have committed that

abuse or is there reasonable doubt? It will be the battle of the medical experts.

It is a case of he said, she said, in a Denver courtroom. Pop superstar, Taylor Swift, said a radio deejay groped her before a concert, and he says

the accusations cost him his job. Now it`s up to a jury to figure out what happened.

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CASAREZ: And that is how most of us know Taylor Swift by her hit songs, like "Shake it Off." But the pop star is in federal court being sued by a

radio deejay who claims she ruined his career by falsely accusing him of touching her inappropriately.

It is this photo, look at it carefully, it`s exhibit "A" for the plaintiff. That`s at the center of the case. Swift claims show host David Mueller

grabbed her backside during a meet-and-greet photo shoot at a concert in 2013.

Mueller claims it simply didn`t happen. And he`s suing her for $3 million. He says he lost his job, and it was due to what he says are those false

accusations. Here is how he described what happened in an interview with iHeart radio`s "Mojo in the Morning."

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): Where are your hands as this photo is being taken? Where`s your right hand? Where`s your left hand?

DAVID MUELLER, FORMER RADIO DJ (voice-over): My right hand, I`m looking at the photographer and trying to get my right hand, you know, behind Taylor.

Because Shannon was on the other side of Taylor, of course.

My other hand, I think was just in my -- on my belt or on my pocket, my left hand. So my right hand, I`ve got my hand closed and my palm down and I

reached behind toward Taylor. Our hands touched, and our arms crossed. That`s all I remember.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): Your hand is behind her.

MUELLER (voice-over): It went behind her and her hand went behind me, but our hands touched and our arms crossed at one point.

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CASAREZ: According to multiple reports, Taylor Swift is counter-suing for $1 dollar, hoping the case can serve as an example to other women who have

had something like that happen to them.

CNN correspondent, Scott McLean, was in court today. He joins us now from Denver. Scott, you`re right in that courtroom, and Taylor Swift was there

for jury selection. The trial has just begun itself, opening arguments as they call them have happened. Tell us about Taylor Swift. What`s she like

in that courtroom?

SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Jean, so she was actually not expected to be here yesterday. She wasn`t required to be here yesterday

for jury selection, but she sat through that court process.

Now, there weren`t journalists allowed inside the actual courtroom, so it was difficult to tell what her mannerisms were like. But we did get to see

her up close today. She was reserved. She sat quietly. She sometimes passed notes to her mother, who sat beside her.

Actually, she shed a tear at one point. Her lawyers sitting across from her. At one point, she actually had a disgusted look on her face.

Immediately passed a note to the lawyers across. That was when David Mueller, this former radio host, said that during that fan meet-and-greet

session in question, he says that Taylor Swift was cold and standoffish.

That`s when we got the strongest reaction from Taylor Swift in court. Again, a really animated look on her face, something we really didn`t see

throughout the day.

CASAREZ: Very interesting. This really boils down to the integrity of Taylor Swift, because he`s calling her a liar. And she`s in court, I would

presume, because her reputation, her ethics and her honesty is at stake here.

I want you to go back, because this was a pretty well-known radio deejay of KYGO Radio, who we do want to say is a CNN affiliate. He had worked a lot.

And he was told by his boss that he was going to go to a meet-and-greet when Taylor Swift was performing in Denver. Take it from there. What is he

saying and what is she saying happened?

MCLEAN: Yes. Two very, very different accounts here, Jean. So, Taylor Swift said during that meet-and-greet, he -- she essentially greeted David

Mueller and his then girlfriend, Shannon Melcher. And they took a photograph. During that photograph, David Mueller lifted up her dress and

grabbed her bare backside. David Mueller has a much different account of events in that photograph --

CASAREZ: It wasn`t bare, right? I mean, it wasn`t a bare backside that she`s alleging?

MCLEAN: Yes, bare backside. And that`s actually something, Jean, that the plaintiff in this case, the attorney for the plaintiff is focusing in on.

Because in that photograph in question, just a single frame, that`s all we have from this case, you don`t see, at least according to the plaintiff`s

attorney, the dress looking

[20:40:00] sort of rumpled or like it`s being moved in any way or manipulated. He said, look, there is no way that David Mueller was reaching

under her dress as Taylor Swift is alleging. So, two very different accounts of what happened here, Jean.

CASAREZ: But, Areva Martin, this is one moment in time. A picture is taken in a second or less. That doesn`t tell the whole story right there.

MARTIN: Not at all, Jean. We`ve also heard about there being allegations that this photograph has been altered. So, there are claims that this

photograph isn`t actually even telling the real story. I guess for me, we have to question, what would Taylor Swift`s motive be to fabricate this

story?

Here is this, you know, super star, ginormous star. She obviously doesn`t need to file false lawsuit. She doesn`t have time to embroil herself in

needless litigation. Why would she tell a (INAUDIBLE) like this?

Why would she misrepresent the fact in this way? I think this plaintiff is going to have a very difficult time convincing jurors that Taylor Swift

made this story up.

CASAREZ: And Randy Zelin, here`s the thing, she has meets-and-greets with thousands of people. This all happened very quickly. Because after the

meet-and-greet, her security went to the plaintiff, Robert Mueller, I mean, within minutes, like an excited utterance, saying, what happened?

What did you do? And it went from there. And it escalated very, very quickly. Security, her manager, the record company, that lends to Taylor

Swift`s credibility.

RANDY ZELIN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, CBSN CONTRIBUTOR: So, here`s what we do. Sometimes, it`s not the moment, it`s immediately after

the moment. Let`s face it. The photograph does not show us where his hand is.

So, photograph, throw it out. He says, I didn`t do anything. She says, he did. Those cancel each other out. What are you left with? What you`re left

with is, what would a reasonable person do who had just been inappropriately touched on a sexual part of her body? How would one react?

And to me, that`s what this case boils down to. She didn`t call the police. She doesn`t yell out. She doesn`t smack him. She doesn`t do anything until

he sues her. And now suddenly she counter-sues him. Why would she do that? Because she can, because she`s powerful.

CASAREZ: Areva Martin.

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MARTIN: I just want to say, you just misstated the facts. The facts are she immediately told her management team and her security, and the deejay was

removed from the event. She did act immediately. She had --

ZELIN: And he said, call the police then. And he called (INAUDIBLE) call the police. And nobody called the police.

MARTIN: She told her security team. You have this superstar, that`s what the protocol is in her world is --

ZELIN: A superstar smacks (INAUDIBLE) in the face that does something like that.

MARTIN: -- the security is there to protect her. The security is there to protect her. And that is so ridiculous for a man to assert in order for a

woman who have been sexually assaulted, she has to slap him, that`s an absurd statement, sir.

ZELIN: I think it`s a reasonable reaction though.

MARTIN: It`s an absurd statement. She made a complaint immediately after the incident.

CASAREZ: We have a public persona. She is Taylor Swift. She is meeting and greeting and you`re in a zone. And I just don`t know that you would get out

of that zone at that moment. You`d be processing what just happened to you.

Scott McLean, I want to ask you. You are right there in Denver, you`re at the courthouse. Is the jury looking at Taylor Swift from what you could see

today, because a celebrity trial takes on a life of its own?

MCLEAN: Yes, absolutely. Now, there are not a lot of jurors who said they were big fans of Taylor Swift. A lot of them knew her music. But, look,

she`s impossible to ignore. She`s sitting there actually facing the jury. So, they`re looking at her the entire time.

But I want to point out, Jean, that there are two very different styles between the lawyers for these two clients. For the plaintiff, Gabe

McFarland had sort of a more reserved style, trying to make David Mueller into a sympathetic character.

Whereas, the lawyer for the defense, Doug Baldridge, Taylor Swift`s lawyer, when he started speaking, when he started cross-examining David Mueller,

every one of those eight jurors, some of them who were slouching down, immediately perked up and paid attention. And it is hard not to. He`s a guy

who commands the attention of the room, and he immediately started throwing questions at David Mueller.

CASAREZ: And a desperate search for a missing young woman. She was last seen on Saturday at a self-help conference in Portland, Oregon. Her car and

phone were found more than 100 miles away. And now her frantic family is begging for answers.

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CASAREZ: A desperate search tonight for a young woman who disappeared shortly after attending a self-help conference in Portland, Oregon.

Investigators say Demi Helenius attended an event Saturday at a hotel near the airport. But after it finished up, Demi`s parents began calling and

texting her, and she never responded. But then something really odd happened.

Someone answered Demi`s phone. It was a worker at a Dairy Queen more than 100 miles away from Portland, claiming that someone had given them the

phone through the drive-through window. The next day, police found Demi`s car, that was about 10 miles from the fast-food place,

[20:50:00] but they haven`t found the 23-year-old woman. As you can imagine, Demi`s disappearance has shocked and terrified her family.

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MELODY HELENIUS, DEMI HELENIUS` MOTHER: I texted her, hey, how did it go, what`s up? Like 10:30. Didn`t get a text back.

That night, my husband and I, went outside as far as (INAUDIBLE). We checked the sides of the road. We checked all the rest stops. We thought

maybe she left and she`s tired, you know, we`ll find her in her car.

CASEY CULLEY, DEMI HELENIUS` BROTHER: It`s terrifying. Because she`s so connected as far as being, you know, family oriented and just being such a

dear, you know, a dear soul.

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CASAREZ: Casey Culley is Demi Helenius` brother, and he joins us tonight from Cottage Grove, Oregon. We can`t imagine what you`re going through

right now. No answers. You don`t know. We want to get the word out there. So, Casey, your sister was at a conference Friday and Saturday, of this

very last weekend. It`s Tuesday now, so it was just a few days ago. What was the conference?

CULLEY (via telephone): The conference was run by landmark forums. It was some sort of a self-help confidence-building type of a workshop as far as

I`m aware of. It constitutes along the lines of empowerment or self-help group.

CASAREZ: Casey, the reason I ask that is, maybe someone that was there met her, spoke with her, maybe she said something that can help them. Now, when

the conference was over, she must have been in constant communication with your parents, because they immediately realized she`s not calling us, the

conference is over.

CULLEY (via telephone): Correct. I mean, she -- just in the typical line of things. Demi was always really very much so in the loop. She`s one of my

best friends. Likewise, I`m one of hers. If it wasn`t with my parents, it was with myself. There was a little bit of a communication going on back

and forth.

I wouldn`t say it was lengthy or anything, because she was in the middle of this conference or workshop. And basically at a certain point, during

breaks or something, she would text. And at 2:45, because I know what time the last text was because I looked at it, the replies from her stopped.

CASAREZ: Wow. Joining us tonight also is Detective Robert Rookhuyzen. He is in Washington County Sheriff`s Office, and he`s the lead investigator on

this missing person`s case. He joins us tonight from Portland. Detective, thank you for joining us. How did you realize --

ROBERT ROOKHUYZEN, DETECTIVE, WASHINGTON COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE (via telephone): My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

CASAREZ: Thank you. We need to find her. You need to find her. How did you realize that her phone was 100 miles away?

ROOKHUYZEN (via telephone): So, we actually got a tip from Casey, whom you just spoke to, about it being found at a Dairy Queen. As you mentioned, it

was in Creswell, Oregon which is about 125 miles south of where they live.

So, that got into our possession. We have forensically analyzed that. It has provided us some tips. Obviously our focus is getting more tips and

trying to bring Demi home to her family.

CASAREZ: So, does this tell you that Demi traveled herself outside of the Portland area? Do you believe she`s not in Portland any longer?

ROOKHUYZEN (via telephone): That`s correct. We believe that her last sighting is about 125 to 130 miles from her home. We have gotten tips from,

you know, southern Oregon. But a wide area. And we`re certainly exploring all those.

Our biggest focus is, of course, on contacting -- trying to contact people who saw her last weekend. We definitely want to find her, bring her home to

her family.

CASAREZ: Now, her car was found about 10 miles away from where her phone was. So are you processing that car now?

ROOKHUYZEN (via telephone): The Oregon State Police has done a great job forensically, searching that car last night. Took them about five hours to

do that. And we were lucky to recover over 30 items of evidence. Which hopefully will bring us closer to finding Demi and bringing her home.

There was also a small amount of money in the car. I think it`s worthy to point out that there was no sign of a physical struggle, and certainly no

apparent blood in the vehicle.

CASAREZ: What about her purse? Was her purse in the vehicle?

ROOKHUYZEN (via telephone): Yes, ma`am. Her purse was found in the vehicle.

CASAREZ: That`s not good. That`s not good. If you`re going somewhere, you take your purse.

ROOKHUYZEN (via telephone): As investigators, we`re all staying optimistic, as is the family fortunately. We`re considering all possibilities of what

may have happened to her. Fortunately, Demi has some very distinctive and noticeable tattoos, and we hope those will help the public see her, and

help us find her.

CASAREZ: Can you tell us what they are?

ROOKHUYZEN (via telephone): Sure. On her outer

[20:55:00] right forearms, she has some words that hopefully will stand out in people`s minds. She has the word "warrior," she has the word "paradise,"

she has the word "Jesus," and then she had a "Q" and a heart, representing the queen of hearts. These are very distinctive. We hope that they`ll help

us find her.

CASAREZ: All right. Curly dyed red hair. Do you have any description at all of a vehicle you think that could be involved with this? You`ve got her

vehicle. We don`t have to find it. But is there anything else or what she was wearing that last day?

ROOKHUYZEN (via telephone): Yes. Fortunately, we did find the vehicle, and that was thanks to a viewer, which we really appreciate. We want more tips.

So, hopefully viewers will call in to the tip number on the screen there.

CASAREZ: All right. And we do have that tip line. I think, detective, we do have to go. It`s very close in time, it was two days ago. So we want

people. Do you know her? Have you seen her? Call that tip line. We`ll be right back.

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